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caseyscorp
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[quote=footyman]The hills were muddy, and the grass damp. Clearly no draining out there. Melbourne's water supplies will be down to 20% once everyone washes their pants, socks and shoes that were covered in Casey Fields mud.[/quote]

Funny thing about rain; it makes the surface damp.

[quote=footyman]
The food is overpriced. $2.60 for a can of soft drink, $4.20 for a hot dog with cheese...gotta squeeze that extra 10 or 20 cents out of the fans don't you?[/quote]

Take a picnic basket!

[quote=footyman]Also the car park is crap (please build a pedestrian bridge over the valley/garden from the tennis court car park area). Preferable pave the thing rather than have all those stones on it too.[/quote]

Don’t park in the tennis court carpark if you think it’s hard to get across to the VFL Oval from. Leave it for the tennis players anyway.

Other than Coburg, I can’t think of too many sealed VFL oval carparks.

[quote=footyman]

Oh, and the terracing on the outer, nice idea but where have the two metal grandstands gone? They've actually taken away public seating!!!!! Those things should come back, I couldn't find a seat out there today. [/quote]

They’re portable – maybe they’ll come back. It just depends on likely crowds at other ovals.

[quote=footyman] I was contemplating going up to the social club, but given the number of people standing on the balcony I feared I could end up tipped over the edge. [/quote]

They would if they knew who you were.

[quote=footyman]Rome wasn't built in a day I know, but Casey Fields was a dump when it was opened and it's still a dump today. caseyscorp and his fellow councilmen might be proud of it, but it's a D grade facility stuck in a D grade area. There's more chance of AFL footy being played on the moon than there is of it going to Casey Fields.[/quote]

Yeah, yeah. That’s why they play U18 National Championships there, and AFL NAB matches. The place is just such a dump!

If you offered objective comments, people might take your views seriously.

footyman
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[quote=caseyscorp]
Funny thing about rain; it makes the surface damp.[/quote] Yes, very true!!! Given the size of the puddles they must've had a lot of rain out there. Perhaps Casey Fields should become a new catchment area for Melbourne Water?

[quote=caseyscorp]
Take a picnic basket![/quote]Will do next time Chief.

[quote=caseyscorp]Don’t park in the tennis court carpark if you think it’s hard to get across to the VFL Oval from. Leave it for the tennis players anyway.[/quote]Maybe I could catch the train there next time...oh that's right there is no public transport to Casey Fields.

The Tennis Court car park is still closer and preferable than the other alternative which was getting bogged in the slushy grass!

[quote=caseyscorp]
Other than Coburg, I can’t think of too many sealed VFL oval carparks.[/quote] Most are in residential areas so actually have streets surrounding the area. You should've got the contractor who did the aquatics centre car park to do Casey Fields at the same time!!

[quote=caseyscorp]
They’re portable – maybe they’ll come back. It just depends on likely crowds at other ovals.[/quote]Well I suggest you should move them back for next time. The joint needs more seating, not less!

[quote=caseyscorp]
Yeah, yeah. That’s why they play U18 National Championships there, and AFL NAB matches. The place is just such a dump![/quote]
You've been blessed with the weather out there for those National Championships matches, but the fact remains nobody likes going to the venue for those games. Do the City of Casey pay the AFL a rights hosting fee for those games? I think that's what gets the venue over the line. Apparently Visy Park isn't cheap to hire, I suspect the use of Casey is a financial decision.

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And aside from all that, what can you do about the atmosphere Caseyscorp? Was it just the one sidedness of the game or is that how it is every week? Flat!!! Any chance the supporters might show some enthusiam for the club?

Went there last year and the same thing - flat, dull, boring environment to watch footy.

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[quote=footyman]And aside from all that, what can you do about the atmosphere Caseyscorp? Was it just the one sidedness of the game or is that how it is every week? Flat!!! Any chance the supporters might show some enthusiam for the club?

Went there last year and the same thing - flat, dull, boring environment to watch footy.[/quote]
Yep the same atmosphere as at North Ballarat ground.

Berwick,Traralgon,Sunshine and Kilsyth grounds were much the same as Casey when they were in the VFA.
I always thought that the old Springvale ground had a dead atmosphere as well - big flat,windswept,poor facilities and a small crowd of local supporters.

In the VFA golden years of big crowds mid 1960-1990s the best atmospheric grounds were Port,Willy,Oakleigh,Sandy,Coburg,Brunswick,Prahan,Frankston and Preston

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[quote=caseyscorp]Don’t park in the tennis court carpark if you think it’s hard to get across to the VFL Oval from. Leave it for the tennis players anyway.[/quote]

[quote=footyman]The Tennis Court car park is still closer and preferable than the other alternative which was getting bogged in the slushy grass! [/quote]

The tennis court carpark is 140 metres from the gate. The “slushy grass” carpark is 180 metres from the gate.

TIP – Try driving another couple of hundred metres past the tennis court carpark, and you can park on a crushed rock carpark that can hold over a thousand cars. There’s not that many there for VFL matches, so you can park 120 metres from the gate and walk on the path straight to it. It’s closer than the tennis court carpark and designed to be more convenient.

Take off your blinkers (both literally and metaphorically).

[quote=caseyscorp]
Other than Coburg, I can’t think of too many sealed VFL oval carparks.[/quote]

[quote=footyman]
Most are in residential areas so actually have streets surrounding the area. You should've got the contractor who did the aquatics centre car park to do Casey Fields at the same time!! [/quote]

You’re right – most of those in established urban areas don’t have any dedicated carparking, but instead rely on blocking up the streets of the locals.

[quote=caseyscorp]
They’re portable – maybe they’ll come back. It just depends on likely crowds at other ovals.[/quote]

[quote=footyman]
Well I suggest you should move them back for next time. The joint needs more seating, not less! [/quote]

I’ll pass on your request.

[quote=caseyscorp]
Yeah, yeah. That’s why they play U18 National Championships there, and AFL NAB matches. The place is just such a dump![/quote]

[quote=footyman]
You've been blessed with the weather out there for those National Championships matches, but the fact remains nobody likes going to the venue for those games. [/quote]

Yep, blessed 3 years in a row.

[quote=footyman]
Do the City of Casey pay the AFL a rights hosting fee for those games? I think that's what gets the venue over the line. Apparently Visy Park isn't cheap to hire, I suspect the use of Casey is a financial decision.[/quote]

There’s no financial incentive needed for attracting U18s to Casey Fields.

Various AFL clubs want to play pre-season matches there.

I’ve got no idea what Visy Park, Casey Fields of Telstra Dome cost to hire, but I bet it cost more for TD last week than it would have cost for Visy Park for the final day of the U18s.

If Visy Park is so expensive, why would the Collingwood v Casey match be relocated there?

The surface is better at Casey Fields than Visy Park anyway.

[quote=billythekid]In the VFA golden years of big crowds mid 1960-1990s the best atmospheric grounds were Port,Willy,Oakleigh,Sandy,Coburg,Brunswick,Prahan,Frankston and Preston[/quote]

I’m sure they were, but they aren’t now. There’s no point comparing Casey Fields today with romantic recollections of yesteryear at other venues. Within 10 years Casey Fields will be in the middle of an urban area, MFC will have penetrated the minds of heaps of locals (based mainly on their kids) and there’ll be plenty of people coming down to look at the local team, the Scorps, featuring some MFC players. The place will be jumping.

Footyman, just give it time (Casey Fields is only in its 4th season – not its 154th). Come to think of it, those other clubs have really let their legacy from the halcyon days slide haven’t they? That’s where the criticism should be directed – at the clubs which had the crowds, but let them go (any marketer will tell you it’s easier to keep a customer than to get a new one)!! Let’s see you direct some vitriol there – but you won’t will you? Because it’s easier to fling a bit of mud at the newcomer.

Two sayings relating back to the Romans:

• Rome wasn’t built in a day (you got that one in your original post – I see you have remembered it from a couple of years ago)

• Nero fiddled while Rome burnt (the other clubs just let their legacy go up in flames haven’t they)

Now I need to clarify, for the sake of everyone else, that I’m not having a go at the other clubs. The changing environments of football and society wrought changes that the established clubs couldn’t have withstood and maintained the crowds and atmosphere of years ago. I’m just sick of the critics who poke muck at the new kid on the block from the vantage point of years of infrastructure investment (although little maintenance) and established communities.

Casey Fields and the Casey Scorps will get there in a few years.

When you return next season Footyman, the next step will have been taken in the further development at Casey Fields – the pavilion will be twice the size.

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[quote=caseyscorp]
TIP – Try driving another couple of hundred metres past the tennis court carpark, and you can park on a crushed rock carpark that can hold over a thousand cars. There’s not that many there for VFL matches, so you can park 120 metres from the gate and walk on the path straight to it. It’s closer than the tennis court carpark and designed to be more convenient.

Take off your blinkers (both literally and metaphorically).
[/quote] TIP - Try better signage to direct people as to the best place to park.

[quote=caseyscorp]
The surface is better at Casey Fields than Visy Park anyway.
[/quote] Debatable.

As for the rest of your comments, I cant ever picture the place jumping, but we'll leave that to your imagination for now.

I just want to know why Casey Fields yesterday had zero entertainment for the kids? Isnt this meant to be a community, family venue? Why not get a jumping castle on the hill or something to keep the little tackers amused? The only entertainment for them was jumping in the puddles of mud!!!!! Why not have a TV somewhere outside - near the bar/kiosk perhaps so people could take a glimpse at the AFL game on the TV? Why not have some of those MFC players who were sitting in the grandstand run a handball clinic/competition at half time?

Casey promised a unique atmosphere, I saw none of it yesterday. At least clubs like Williamstown try and create themed days.

Poor Dustin Fletcher spent most of his day signing autographs and posing for photos. If the highlight of a kids day is getting a photo with an Essendon player who was there voluntarily and of his own free will, then the MFC and City of Casey have failed miserably.

I hope the venue continues to improve, but it needs it. And hopefully people like you dont sit on your hands and be satisfied with how things are going down there. There is ALWAYS room to improve.

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I tell you what, yes the golden days VFA were great and a thousand times better than the shit served up as the so called VFL/AFL Reserves nowadays.I suppose its ok for a council to spend millions of dollars on what could very well be a future Melbourne reserves team.It would be interesting to know what the ratepayers think of a council propping up a broke/failed AFL team instead of spending their rates on better public facilities for everyone to enjoy not an elite football club!

I dont like your starry eyed romancing about the future just because the Cranbourne area will grow over the next few years dosent make it a given that all the new residents will embrace two surplanted teams in Springvale and MFC
that have bugger all to do with the area and its history.

BTW the Werribee area not Casey is the fastest growing in the nation atm and I dont see any AFL club rushing to relocate there.The only reason MFC decided to go to Cranbourne was because they had very few options left not because they were desperate to leave the their natural and spiritual home in the CBD

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I have with agree with Billy on that one.
There is a train line t the back of the ground and there might be a station and train going through there by year 2020. VFL Park revisited. No transport or hard
to get to place.
Werribee is a rapid growing area and in time I can see Werribee being a stand alone team with more funds.
I went to Chirnside Park yesterday and was impressed the way it is going off field. Having a few North players in a part alignment is not a big deal and will help them financially for the next year or two.
I can see them having a couple of night matches next season.
Why not Williamstown to play the Bees under lights early in the season on a Saturday night with a local WRFL game between say Port Colts v Spotswood as a curtain raiser and really promote the night.

With Williamstown not playing home games at Point Gellibrand next season there are definate plans for a few bush home games. I say why not. Really promote it whether they play at Warrnambool, Colac, Terang or I would even turn the clock back and play a game between Willaimstown and Geelong at Geelong West with Geelong wearing the old Geelong West guernseys for the game.
I would love to see that. Can't be that hard can it ???
Give us VFA nuts some thing to rememeber the old days with.

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The Council has a vision to make a complete city – not some dormitory suburb. A complete city has a range of cultural, social and sporting activities, and retail and employment opportunities just to name a few.

Short term, narrow focussed perspectives just aren’t much use when you’re planning for a city of half a million people. The planning and infrastructure investment decisions of today will resonate for 50 to 100 years.

As well it is about providing pride for residents in their area. Strangely enough for some to grasp it seems, many local people love the concept of having an AFL team at Casey Fields – even if it’s not their own.

Casey Fields will be the biggest and most diverse sporting complex in Melbourne, second only to Albert Park. Others are now seeking to follow the example, albeit on a smaller scale because land prices, even on the urban fringe, are now incredibly expensive.

The domiciling of a VFL club and an AFL club, a district cricket club and an A-League team are all a part of the long term plan.

While teams operating at that level will utilise Casey Fields, it already provides a range of facilities for a huge number of other (local) teams. That includes tennis, netball, rugby, cricket, football, cycling and HPV, and will include soccer in the future. Most of the activity which occurs is local sport, and the local sporting teams love the fact that elite teams are also located there. As well, and if you just look at the $ Council is investing in MFC, that is more than returned to the community (many times over in fact) in the value of the community program that the club will deliver.

The Councillors represent their community and, as much as a few on here wanted to claim that the newly elected Councillors would follow community feeling and dump MFC, the reality is that when it came to the crunch the community wanted MFC and all but one Councillor voted in support of it.

In the overall scheme of investment at Casey Fields, the VFL & MFC investments in infrastructure:

• will be a small part
• provide facilities for other users to access as well (eg Cranbourne FC plays its seniors and reserves home matches there)
• be more than returned through the MFC community program.

It’s really easy for some people to throw their opinions around (and sometimes loud and opinionated people get a disproportionate amount of coverage even if they don’t represent the silent majority view), but actually dealing with the responsibilities of governance and allocation of resources brings a completely different perspective to bear – then the bigger picture becomes a lot more relevant.

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[quote=billythekid][quote=footyman]And aside from all that, what can you do about the atmosphere Caseyscorp? Was it just the one sidedness of the game or is that how it is every week? Flat!!! Any chance the supporters might show some enthusiam for the club?

Went there last year and the same thing - flat, dull, boring environment to watch footy.[/quote]
Yep the same atmosphere as at North Ballarat ground.

Berwick,Traralgon,Sunshine and Kilsyth grounds were much the same as Casey when they were in the VFA.
I always thought that the old Springvale ground had a dead atmosphere as well - big flat,windswept,poor facilities and a small crowd of local supporters.

In the VFA golden years of big crowds mid 1960-1990s the best atmospheric grounds were Port,Willy,Oakleigh,Sandy,Coburg,Brunswick,Prahan,Frankston and Preston[/quote]

You never miss the chance to have a crack, Do you Billy.
You would hardly call the TBO Buckingham palace.
For all the squillion years that you have been in a premier competition, you would think that you would have something a little better.

We might be from the bush. but we ain't green

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