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iceman
[quote="camelboy"]Tell me more about how/why the VFA became the VFL and I assume it was around this time that the alignments with the AFL clubs started to happen???[/quote] Others can help me out with the finer details, but basically at the end of the 1995 season the administration at the time was seeking ways in which they could start to attract supporters and re-sell the competition once again, it was believed that the VFA name carried with it a bit of a rough and dirty tag that was thought to be turning supporters away, not attracting them in. The VFA it seemed had burnt itself to the ground and needed something to give it a bit of a boost, the VFL name was adopted in the hope of a more recognisable brand, I think it went to a Club vote where 90% of clubs, or something similar voted for the new VFL name. I think the name change had some negative and some positive outcomes, however I know i would prefer the VFA brand.
jasonborough
VFA not to mention players such as ken marks brett cooper big bad bobby heard andy plowman just to name a few????
vfa
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How many old Preston supporters would be travelling to Carlton ? How many bullants players would be playing next season ? Digby Morrell, Justin Crow, Iacobucci, will not get a look in next year as Swann will order his troops to play 17/5 or even 20/2 ratio of afl/vfl players. Will the bullants club song change to we are the navy bullants ? Swann will try to change the jumper first, then the club song, then the two games at Cramer Street will be taken followed by Preston Social Club renamed Greg Swann bar. Vulture of the year award G.Swann- vote one Spoon in the vfl and spoon in the afl- Carlton !!!!!!
billythekid
[quote="vfa"]How many old Preston supporters would be travelling to Carlton ? How many bullants players would be playing next season ? Digby Morrell, Justin Crow, Iacobucci, will not get a look in next year as Swann will order his troops to play 17/5 or even 20/2 ratio of afl/vfl players. Will the bullants club song change to we are the navy bullants ? Swann will try to change the jumper first, then the club song, then the two games at Cramer Street will be taken followed by Preston Social Club renamed Greg Swann bar. Vulture of the year award G.Swann- vote one [b]Welcome to the real world of AFL football why dont AFL clubs just bite the bullet and run their own reserves teams instead of using up the old VFA clubs and their rapidly decreasing supporter numbers?[/b]]
camelboy
I dare say most followers of AFL clubs would love to have a reserves comp back up and running. And I dare say the VFA clubs would all love to be independent. So why isn't this happening?
iceman
Money. The Money involved for AFL clubs fielding reserves, then getting top up players, or increasing list sizes. At the moment AFL clubs wants what is cheaper, but then want significant control over the VFL club. Secondly I would say that maybe 3 clubs - Port Melbourne, Williamstown and Frankston perhaps Nth Ballarat would be able to successfully survive in what would effectively almost become a 3rd tier competition by being abvle to recruit sufficient players to gain credability as a club. Others can correct me if i'm wrong, but I doubt, at the moment, that any other club could compete financially. The ability for the VFL clubs to recruit recognizable, popular and players that will bring numbers through the gate is severely limited as these days once a star is Finished at AFL level they usually stop football all together right there, any players that keep going either wont have the same pulling power at VFL level, or get better and easier offers at Local level. Lack of juniors coming through VFL teams for a prolonged period as well, at the moment, most ex TAC players continue onto VFL level still with the main priority of getting drafted, it seems once that opportunity is gone, alot leave the VFL club and also return to local level where offers are usually stronger for them. It may be hard for supporters to retain huge amounts of passion when up 70-80% of the playing list could be turned over any given year. Below it all, it pretty much comes back to money, and the Fact VFL clubs have to compete with 10 AFL clubs in the same state, that's just about as many AFL as VFL, how many little kids do you see running around in a VFL jumper or saying I go for the 'Casey Scorpions' or the 'Frankston Dolphins' and when I grow up I want to play for them, in SANFL and WAFL kids grow up supporting a state level club, or having some connection to a state level club.
iceman
Don;t worry most of us on here would probably love an independant league, however, currently it just wouldn't work and alot of us could potentially be without football clubs if that were to happen.
camelboy
4 games at Cramer St in 2008... http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22424741... [quote]...Meanwhile, Carlton will soon sign a new five-year agreement with the Northern Bullants after its VFL partner agreed to play five home games a year at Princes Park. The Blues had been keen to forge a stand-alone VFL side mid-season but, after recent meetings with the Bullants, have indicated they are happy to continue the partnership. Carlton appoints the Bullants coach, so it can regulate how Blues players are used in the VFL. Carlton assistant Barry Mitchell led the Bullants last year, but the VFL club is unsure if he will stay on next year with the Blues. The clubs have agreed on a split that sees four games played at Preston's Cramer St Oval and the rest at Carlton's base. Bullants general manager Garry O'Sullivan said the VFL club would have needed $400,000 a year extra to exist as a stand-alone side. "We took it the members a week ago and we wanted to make sure we kept them in the loop," O'Sullivan said. "They accepted the board's recommendation. The alternatives viability-wise weren't great."[/quote]
bullants
I don't think the club could have been competitive as a stand-alone team with its current debt. The Bullants should make a profit this year, and a similiar performance in 2008 would see the club become virtually debt free. I think the club needs at least $500,000 in the bank before we can seriously think about going alone. This may happen in the next five years and if it does I hope the club does go stand-alone. Ray Shaw was at the members meeting and spoke from the floor. He basically said that he felt the Carlton alignment was the only way the club could survive. I think without the alignment we could have kept going but would have been a shadow of the club we could become. If we have the money to do it we should be stand-alone but until then we have to work hard at getting the best deal out of Carlton.
camelboy
So you're allowed to use us, but we're not allowed to use the Bullants. Is that how I should read the situation? :P

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