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theobserver
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Hey, Big V, pull your lousy head in. We care enough about the competition to go along to games and get on here and voice an opinion. I think some excellent suggestions have been posted here. I'd call it constructive criticism, not carping. Maybe that's what's wrong with the VFL. Some of the people running it are deaf to good ideas.
iceman
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Spent the weekend in Adelaide a couple of weeks ago, and caught some SANFL action, it rips my heart out to see that so many of their clubs gun recruits are Victorian players. A couple of things really stood out, the media exposure given to clubs, and the cupporter bases behind each club. When A young kid is asked what team to you follow, his response is something aloong the lines of: Norwood and the Crows, or Glenelg and the Power. Ask that in Vic and all you get is the AFL clubs name, most kids wouldn't know Port Melbourne or Williamstown from a bar of soap, despite being to of Victorias Oldest and Most successful clubs. Their underage setup is What the VFL's should be, if the VFL is actually wanting to survive long term, they have to Have a junior competition. In the VFL record a couple of weeks ago a noticed Schwabb mention that the TAC clubs will be closer linked to VFL affiliate, which is positive, but not good enough, An article in the paper about West Adelaide, and they outline their intention to develop their juniors and the have 'alot of talented jumiors coming through' VFL clubs need to be assured that they can get a kid ion at 16, 17, 18 years old and develop him to their club in the future. Then they said on top of this, they are preparing to make a bid for several VFL listed players for next season, and that's only one club. The resources that SANFL clubs have aswell is vital, they are able to attract players over and give them job and study opportunities as well as things like rent assistance etc. VFL clubs have to be able to provide a network of opportunities through sponsorships etc. to attract kids, and have them playing in a settled competition. If Port Melbourne, Frankston, Casey etc even Tassie had u/18's playing on the same day, at the same ground as them i think you would find that a reason to stay around and feel part of a club would be far more enticing for players. Rather then finish TAC think well my chance if over, let's go fishing for $600 a game in local footy. Let's remember the TAC cup was set up for the AFL's benifit, the VFL has to act to become stable and have pulling power. The sadest thing of all about the SANFL is that they get so much interest in the comp, yet the VFL is of just as good if not better standard, i Would argue Port Melbourne and Frankston would hold their own in that comp.
Dolphin
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[quote="theobserver"]Hey, Big V, pull your lousy head in. [/quote] ridiculous comment. [quote:83cfad775e="iceman"]Spent the weekend in Adelaide a couple of weeks ago, and caught some SANFL action, it rips my heart out to see that so many of their clubs gun recruits are Victorian players. A couple of things really stood out, the media exposure given to clubs, and the cupporter bases behind each club. When A young kid is asked what team to you follow, his response is something aloong the lines of: Norwood and the Crows, or Glenelg and the Power. etc etc (shortened for the sake of space only.).[/quote] Thats all very interesting, but adds nothing to the actual issue. The problem with the vast majority of these types of comments ralate to the fact that the author "generally" cannot understand the differance between the VFL and the SANFL. They have both come from vastly differant backgrounds. The SANFL was, and remains, the top tier of football in the Sate. The 2 AFL sides are just add ons (and in fact significantly fund the SANFL). In Victoria the VFA was the second tier competition. The VFL, now AFL sides were the top tier and they have remained. As a result, Victoria is and will remain behind the 8 ball fopr as long as the current number of AFL sides remain in Victoria. The issue in this thread is the constant banging on about changing the name back to the VFA. It will add nothing. Just as if I rebadged my car with the Hillman Hunter badges that I had on my car in 1982 would add nothing to my car today. If that is all there is to offer, then you are not much help to the competition. The VFL needs more than a name change. Issue like the U18's are of much more significance, and will result in greater exposure. If you read some of the past media, you would know that a lot of the VFL clubs have been pushing for the TAC Cup sides to return to VFL U18's. This now looks likely in a fashion as a result of the Second Tier review. Offer something other than changing the name and it might be taken seriously. BUT, if the name was ever changed, it would probably change to either the VAFL or AFLV in line with most other states. Now that would be even worse. If Cleary and the others want to return to the unfunded VFA, than there would be 2 or 3 clubs and thats about it. It died. Remember it, but move on.
BigV
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Mr. Observer - if you bothered to read some of the other whingers posts that you agree with you will see that they DON'T actually bother going to the VFL cause they don't like the comp. And the people that are running the comp aren't deaf to good idea's - just because VFA lovers suggest things on this site doesn't mean they are good idea's or it doesn't mean they haven't been tried before!! But you guys go on believing that the seat warmers sit around all day, doing nothing and don't give a hoot if that's what suits your story best.
theobserver
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Big V, I don't believe the VFL people sit around all day nothing. I do believe they care about the competition. But what are they doing to promote it? I've been to 11 or 12 games this year. The footy is great but in the main the crowds have been ordinary. It's an issue that has to be addressed. What is the VFL doing about it? And to you Dolphin, if you can't spell ridiculous, don't use the word, boof head :wink:
iceman
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Re: Dolhins Reply. That is what I was trying to get at, I understand completely what Victorian Football has gone through, yet the only way to get support for the comp and start to build supporter is if people (players and supporters) start to feel appreciation for the comp. At the moment how can you build apprectiation for a club when you think you deserve a shot in the 1's and some AFL listed bloke is getting developed in your position, Rather then either persevere or look to a club that suits, players ship off and never feel a 'part' of it. So why would they bring their kids along to watch so called [i]their [/i] club in the future when all they did was win 2 reserves B&F's. Then just local footy for 10 years. When flicking through the SA Budget and looking at the team sheet, you see so many mopre players 25, 26, 27 even up to 30, 31 years old on the list, players want to hang around. I know someone playing in the SANFL this season, ex-AFL player who I won't name, he was chased by WA SA and VIC state league clubs, while tossing up on his options, the single most influential reason for him going to SA was he wanted to play at a club that felt like a club and wasn't playing puppet. Now he is dominating over there and a big loss to Victorian Football. So from being an arm's length away from signing with a VFL club, he's now quite settled over thee and will probably spend most of his senior career in SA. I understand that the VFL can't just pull changes over the summer and all of a sudden draw massive support, but at the moment, it feels as if we are going no where fast.
BigV
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Mr. Observer - I'm not going to get into this arguement again! How about you contact the AFL Victoria Marketing Department and spend a day in their shoes so you can see for yourself what they do. And again people, you may not like the aligment set ups but without the AFL, there is no VFL comp - the VFL and VFL clubs can no way to afford to stand alone without the AFL hence why the VFA is no longer! We are not the SANFL and never financially will be!
Dolphin
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[quote="iceman"]Re: Dolhins Reply. That is what I was trying to get at, I understand completely what Victorian Football has gone through, yet the only way to get support for the comp and start to build supporter is if people (players and supporters) start to feel appreciation for the comp. At the moment how can you build apprectiation for a club when you think you deserve a shot in the 1's and some AFL listed bloke is getting developed in your position, Rather then either persevere or look to a club that suits, players ship off and never feel a 'part' of it. So why would they bring their kids along to watch so called [i]their [/i] club in the future when all they did was win 2 reserves B&F's. Then just local footy for 10 years. When flicking through the SA Budget and looking at the team sheet, you see so many mopre players 25, 26, 27 even up to 30, 31 years old on the list, players want to hang around. I know someone playing in the SANFL this season, ex-AFL player who I won't name, he was chased by WA SA and VIC state league clubs, while tossing up on his options, the single most influential reason for him going to SA was he wanted to play at a club that felt like a club and wasn't playing puppet. Now he is dominating over there and a big loss to Victorian Football. So from being an arm's length away from signing with a VFL club, he's now quite settled over thee and will probably spend most of his senior career in SA. I understand that the VFL can't just pull changes over the summer and all of a sudden draw massive support, but at the moment, it feels as if we are going no where fast.[/quote] I agree with you. So get behind a Frankston, who remain a true football club, without those issues of players droppinmg back and you may enjoy it a bit more. The choices are there.
footyman
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[quote="BigV"]Mr. Observer - I'm not going to get into this arguement again! How about you contact the AFL Victoria Marketing Department and spend a day in their shoes so you can see for yourself what they do. And again people, you may not like the aligment set ups but without the AFL, there is no VFL comp - the VFL and VFL clubs can no way to afford to stand alone without the AFL hence why the VFA is no longer! We are not the SANFL and never financially will be![/quote] Its pretty clear where your pay cheque comes from.
iceman
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[quote="Dolphin"]I agree with you. So get behind a Frankston, who remain a true football club, without those issues of players droppinmg back and you may enjoy it a bit more. The choices are there.[/quote] Good point, however my hearts with the Scorps, and at the moment clubs don't need supporters jumping ship. I still have enormous respect for the Dolphins though, and enjoy heading down for a couple of matches each season.

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