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theobserver
OK. I spoke to Kevin Mitchell at a game 5 weeks ago and told him the standard of the umpiring was terrible, as poor as I've seen it in the VFA-VFL. He defended the umps to the hilt, as he always does. Coaches and GMs know it's a waste of time ringing him about it because he ALWAYS turns the tables with `Yeah, but your players make mistakes too'. I know Garry Ayres phoned him recently and got the same treatment
footyman
[quote="TheVoiceoftheB"] The VFL and TAC umpires allow a much tougher contest than the AFL, an half the umpires in the bush either have no idea or have played 200 hundred games - yer they over-react, they might be not upto scratch but your looking at the best, the men in orange. Maybe that's sad. but it's true.[/quote]I would argue against you there. I prefer umpires who "have no idea", and in my view the less 'perfect' umpires are the better. Stop/start play and over the top whistle blowing like we have in the VFL frustrates fans and players. Minor infringements are not worth holding the game up for 20seconds over. Limited whisteblowing works a treat. You'll find most players can wear it if umpires are consistent in what they allow and what they dont allow. And the fans appreciate it more as well. The problem with AFL Vic is they have too many kids running around umpiring at the moment, our good umpires have either retired or gone to the AFL to fill positions there and these guys are simply not up to controlling a game of footy on their own.
footyman
[quote="theobserver"]OK. I spoke to Kevin Mitchell at a game 5 weeks ago and told him the standard of the umpiring was terrible, as poor as I've seen it in the VFA-VFL. He defended the umps to the hilt, as he always does. Coaches and GMs know it's a waste of time ringing him about it because he ALWAYS turns the tables with `Yeah, but your players make mistakes too' I know Garry Ayres phoned him recently and got the same treatment[/quote]That's half the problem, the twat in charge wont acknowledge a problem when there is one. He never has. And I'm glad to hear Gary Ayres rang him up. At least it means others think its an issue too.
TheVoiceoftheB
[quote="footyman"][quote:4db75b5356="TheVoiceoftheB"] The VFL and TAC umpires allow a much tougher contest than the AFL, an half the umpires in the bush either have no idea or have played 200 hundred games - yer they over-react, they might be not upto scratch but your looking at the best, the men in orange. Maybe that's sad. but it's true.[/quote]I would argue against you there. I prefer umpires who "have no idea", and in my view the less 'perfect' umpires are the better. Stop/start play and over the top whistle blowing like we have in the VFL frustrates fans and players. Minor infringements are not worth holding the game up for 20seconds over. Limited whisteblowing works a treat. You'll find most players can wear it if umpires are consistent in what they allow and what they dont allow. And the fans appreciate it more as well. The problem with AFL Vic is they have too many kids running around umpiring at the moment, our good umpires have either retired or gone to the AFL to fill positions there and these guys are simply not up to controlling a game of footy on their own.[/quote] Jus don't have umpires then or maybe goto the CBD on a Saturday night and you'll get what your really lookin' for.
footyman
[quote="TheVoiceoftheB"] Jus don't have umpires then or maybe goto the CBD on a Saturday night and you'll get what your really lookin' for.[/quote]No need to be sarcastic...all I'm looking for is a game where the players are the focus and a game where the players are allowed to be competitive and show their skills. Try watching a game one day up against the fence in the outer and get a feel for what the fans are thinking rather than sitting up in some cosy commentary box behind glass.
burraburger
There have been some games this season where u just scratch your head about some decisions. To me it just seems like umpires like to blow there whistle and make a decision so they seem involved in the game. The hands in the back rule has been quite inconsistant and the holding the ball rule always changes. Sometimes a player has the ball and the ball gets knocked straight out of his hands and its called holding the ball??? And the one that really irritates me is when a player gives off a poor handball (hospital handball) and puts his team mate under pressure. The team mate then grabs the ball and is tackled immediatly and has no prior. 99% of the time this is called holding the ball. I dont understand why it is holding the ball??? Its just a decision to penalise a bad handball and to allow the umpires to blow there whistle.
TheVoiceoftheB
In 150 years of Footy they still can't get it right, we've got one of the best games on the planet yet no one really knows the rules. Blame the AFL, blame the umpires, why do you think players stage for free-kicks? Umpire inflicted culture. A disgrace but we've gotta live with it or take up umpiring and solve the problems ourselves.
Burger4Eva
At Box Hill yesterday in the reserves there were no fewer than 12-14 50mtr penalties given and most had both teams confused. Umpires think the game is about them and its time for them to take a backward step and let these athletes show there skills without the stop/start free kick umpireing that is occuring nowadays.
TheVoiceoftheB
[quote="Burger4Eva"]At Box Hill yesterday in the reserves there were no fewer than 12-14 50mtr penalties given and most had both teams confused. Umpires think the game is about them and its time for them to take a backward step and let these athletes show there skills without the stop/start free kick umpireing that is occuring nowadays.[/quote] As long as they wear orange there will be three teams on the park.
paul
There can be no question the standard of VFL umpiring has deteriorated quite seriously in the past two or three years. The same can be said in the AFL. Blame should not necessarily be laid at the feet of the umpires either This deterioration has coincided with the arrival of Andrian Anderson at the AFL from a legal background, and the AFL has been determined to make everything about the game black and white, free from human interpretation. Examples of this are the points system at the tribunal, the hands in the back rule, the stupid interpretation of holding the ball (the dragged it in interpretation) etc etc. The problem with this approach to umpiring is that there will always be a huge grey area in aussie rules, and there will be times when an action fits the criteria of a free kick but clearly isnt one. In these situations young, inexperienced umpires sometimes err on the side of the criteria, sometimes on the side of common sense, leading to enormous inconsistencies that the players, coaches and supporters just cannot understand. The holding the ball rule has descended into farce, and a directive to umpires needs to be made stating either; if in doubt its holding the ball, or if in doubt it is play on/ball up so we minimise the amount of times a player can be spun around twice and the umpire calls play on, and then moments later a player just receives the ball and is wrapped up in a tackle and holding the ball is paid. The biggest concern for mine is not the umpires, but the people telling them how to umpire, and the people on the rules committee who come up with these ridiculous interpretations. It is no surprise that with Kevin Bartlett – a man who used to stage for free kicks at every opportunity – heading the rules committee, that the interpretations are becoming unbearably soft. A big thumbs up to some of the experienced umpires, such as Dan Beard and Darren Goldspink, who will talk to you like a human being and admit when they are wrong. They are guys that I look forward to having. Perhaps if the culture within the umpires supervisors ranks of focusing so narrowly on the black and white criteria of individual decisions could be softened, and some of the focus be shifted to their approach to players and their common sense, guys like Dan and Darren could pass on more of their approach to the younger umps.

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