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MinkaBeaver
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Finals Double-Headers
With one team disadvantaged by having just a five day break before the Grand Final, what do people think of the idea of holding double-headers during the VFL final series? The SANFL have been doing it for quite a few years, and it generates not just good footy, but some very good crowds. Last week saw them attract 16,000 to Adelaide Oval for the Elimination/Qualifying Finals, while the Semi-Finals yesterday (Sunday) drew 22,500. Obviously our crowds would be on a smaller scale, but could it still be a worthwhile drawcard? Do you think that it would ensure a fairer finals series?
theobserver
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I was talking about this last night with a Werribee bloke. A Saturday double header would make it a lot fairer for both winners but I'm not sure where it would sit with the VFL's contract with the ABC. I know the ABC like to have the Saturday and Sunday slots covered As it stands North ballarat go in at a disadvantage.
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When and where are the SANFL reserves finals games played ? They obviously dont give a toss about them. And do they play them as double-headers as well ?
footyman
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The question is do AFL Victoria gain more financially by splitting the Prelim Finals across two days? I suspect they would. I'd confidently say the crowd for one day of footy would be less than the total crowd over two. And the reason mainly is because some people have Saturday commitments and can only go Sunday - and vice versa. The other logistical issues of a double header is that I dont think Port has great facilities for the clubs. I know room sharing happens all year with reserves and seniors, but I think come Prelim Finals time you dont want potential competitors in a Grand Final sharing the same rooms.
MinkaBeaver
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[quote="footyman"]The question is do AFL Victoria gain more financially by splitting the Prelim Finals across two days? I suspect they would. I'd confidently say the crowd for one day of footy would be less than the total crowd over two. And the reason mainly is because some people have Saturday commitments and can only go Sunday - and vice versa. [/quote] It's really hard to answer that one without knowing anything about their financing and budgeting of finals. Not publicly revealing crowd numbers means that we can't even have a basic stab at it. But then you might find that overheads would be less by holding both finals on the one day. [quote:87d184a1f2="footyman"]The other logistical issues of a double header is that I dont think Port has great facilities for the clubs. I know room sharing happens all year with reserves and seniors, but I think come Prelim Finals time you dont want potential competitors in a Grand Final sharing the same rooms.[/quote] Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Unless they can find a way to install portacabins or some such, it would make it difficult to cater for the players correctly. On the flip side, we've been promised upgrades for players and spectators at TEAC Oval for years now; could be the motivating factor in finally getting it to go ahead. What other potential venues would suit?
MinkaBeaver
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[quote="rooster"]When and where are the SANFL reserves finals games played ? They obviously dont give a toss about them. And do they play them as double-headers as well ?[/quote] Played at seperate venues, but on the same day. Same again for their Under 19s comp. I'm sure though that for weekends when there are two reserves fixtures, they could also work to same format for seniors.
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[quote="theobserver"]I was talking about this last night with a Werribee bloke. A Saturday double header would make it a lot fairer for both winners but I'm not sure where it would sit with the VFL's contract with the ABC. I know the ABC like to have the Saturday and Sunday slots covered As it stands North ballarat go in at a disadvantage.[/quote] What else is news....?

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footyman
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[quote="MinkaBeaver"] It's really hard to answer that one without knowing anything about their financing and budgeting of finals. Not publicly revealing crowd numbers means that we can't even have a basic stab at it. But then you might find that overheads would be less by holding both finals on the one day. [/quote]That is true. We dont know budgets, crowd numbers and overheads would probably be lower. But there are issues with fans - do they want to go to a game of footy at Midday? What if the AFL scheduled a day Prelim Final at the MCG on the day of the VFL double header (as they would have this year if Sydney had gotten through)? As for other venues that might suit a double header - I think Casey have three change rooms and perhaps could get more in the ground development.
MinkaBeaver
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[quote="footyman"]That is true. We dont know budgets, crowd numbers and overheads would probably be lower. But there are issues with fans - do they want to go to a game of footy at Midday? What if the AFL scheduled a day Prelim Final at the MCG on the day of the VFL double header (as they would have this year if Sydney had gotten through)? As for other venues that might suit a double header - I think Casey have three change rooms and perhaps could get more in the ground development.[/quote] They are happy to go to games at midday in Adelaide, but then that probably says as much about the competition for the entertainment dollar in the City of Churches as much as anything else. And Sydney aside, the AFL is increasingly using night Preliminary Finals. Casey Fields' facilities are unfortunately negated by its locality. I think that for something like this to work it would need to be at a reasonably centrally located ground, and with good access to public transport. Personally I'd prefer to see games played on seperate days. But the reason I put the suggestion forward is that for a competition that isn't very good at 'looking outside the square', I think it's an argument worth examining at least.
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It couldn't be done this year but would like to see a double-header at Princess Park. 12pm start is fine and the ground has four change-rooms.
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[quote="MinkaBeaver"] They are happy to go to games at midday in Adelaide[/quote]I guess the fact ABC TV 1.10pm games in my opinion draw smaller crowds reflects the fact that fans don't like early starts to games. I think Victorians like to do something in the morning, whether it be going out for brunch, or shopping at Chadstone and then stroll down to the footy in the arvo. But I do agree, its a discussion worth having. The league need to explore all avenues.

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