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Dollie
What happened at Frankston?

As the VFL home and away season comes to a close I reflect on the surprisingly disastrous season at Frankston.

With three wins and a second bottom finish, the club recorded their worst season in almost a decade. By round 10 the determination to ‘go one better’ was replaced with the excuse of developing the list.

My confusion and frustration now begins. How a team that were a point away from last year’s preliminary final and may have played in the grand final could forget this so quickly. 2009 should not have been a year to finish bottom – it should have been a year to consolidate on the success of last year.

New coach Shannon Grant has continuously made note of the number of new young players and how they cannot be expected to win the game off their own boots. There may have been new players at the club but there were also a number of experienced senior players who had achieved plenty in their own playing career. Where were these players? Playing out of position or in the reserves without an explanation to why their position changed or when they might have gotten a call up. These senior players played second fiddle to the younger players who had not made the proper transition to the faster, smoother pace of VFL.

If something’s not broke why fix it. Grant should not have come to the club, having never coached before, expecting to dramatically change the operations and dynamics of the team. Following the team’s dream run last season he should have taken the opportunity to work with the players and trust that they could teach him a thing or two about being a good coach. Instead, he came to the club, insulted and infuriated committee members and supporters, and drained morale so much that players no longer enjoyed playing.

A club that once prided on having the drive and edge to stand alone is now the laughing stock of the VFL. Grant did not support his players at the level they needed or trusted that they knew what worked best for each other. Instead new players at the club were been given incredible opportunities (without proving themselves) while other players were essentially spat in the face.

Frankston’s future as a viable, stand alone club weighs on my mind. With the end of the season it will be interesting the exodus of experienced players. How will the club be successful if the 2010 list consists of first and second year players? How can a club that has fallen so far in just one season not ask what has happened? How can they walk on eggshells and blame everyone and everything else rather than the newest addition to the club – the senior coach….

vfa
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It will be interesting to see if Shannon Grant will be there next season. If he has ambitions to coach in the afl this is not a good start for him.
Phil Cleary got offered the job and seriously considered it. I think the travel was the factor that he did not take the job.
I guarentee you Frankston with Cleary at the helm would have feared far better.
Frankston did have a very young list with many new players and a few injuries as well but were disappointing with the exception of 3 wins and a few close losses with the best performance for the year being the game against Williamstown.
The comp needs both stand alone teams to do well. Port have been great over the past few seasons and Frankston were stiff not to make it to the prlim last year but 2009 was a disastrous year for the dolphins.
Hopefully they will be a far more formidable team in 2010

digs

[quote=Dollie]As the VFL home and away season comes to a close I reflect on the surprisingly disastrous season at Frankston.

With three wins and a second bottom finish, the club recorded their worst season in almost a decade. By round 10 the determination to ‘go one better’ was replaced with the excuse of developing the list.

My confusion and frustration now begins. How a team that were a point away from last year’s preliminary final and may have played in the grand final could forget this so quickly. 2009 should not have been a year to finish bottom – it should have been a year to consolidate on the success of last year.

New coach Shannon Grant has continuously made note of the number of new young players and how they cannot be expected to win the game off their own boots. There may have been new players at the club but there were also a number of experienced senior players who had achieved plenty in their own playing career. Where were these players? Playing out of position or in the reserves without an explanation to why their position changed or when they might have gotten a call up. These senior players played second fiddle to the younger players who had not made the proper transition to the faster, smoother pace of VFL.

If something’s not broke why fix it. Grant should not have come to the club, having never coached before, expecting to dramatically change the operations and dynamics of the team. Following the team’s dream run last season he should have taken the opportunity to work with the players and trust that they could teach him a thing or two about being a good coach. Instead, he came to the club, insulted and infuriated committee members and supporters, and drained morale so much that players no longer enjoyed playing.

A club that once prided on having the drive and edge to stand alone is now the laughing stock of the VFL. Grant did not support his players at the level they needed or trusted that they knew what worked best for each other. Instead new players at the club were been given incredible opportunities (without proving themselves) while other players were essentially spat in the face.

Frankston’s future as a viable, stand alone club weighs on my mind. With the end of the season it will be interesting the exodus of experienced players. How will the club be successful if the 2010 list consists of first and second year players? How can a club that has fallen so far in just one season not ask what has happened? How can they walk on eggshells and blame everyone and everything else rather than the newest addition to the club – the senior coach….[/quote]

Dolly, A terrific summary.
Sometimes people employing ex AFL players as coaches get caught up a lot in the big names that have no experience in coaching.
Ex AFL players are from an environment where all players, officials & staff are professional & everbody involved has a job to do. VFL & country clubs are made up primarily of volunteers who enjoy the involvement for pleasure.
I am unsure as to whether the coach can be accountable for all of Frankston's problems, but let's hope they can get it right.
The VFL certainly needs a competitive & vibrant Franksto footy club.

We might be from the bush. but we ain't green

burraburger

Looking at Frankston this season it seems like they have made a decision and pretty much started from scratch and elected to go with youth. Im all for putting games into kids who will be around for the next 3-5 years but you must also compliment this with some recruiting and also experience.

Why was Paul Kennedy playing so many reserves game????
Why was Dean Limbach playing so many reserves games???
Why did Frankston not recruit when they lost so much experience the past year???

Frankston have the core of a good side although its very very young. There is probably 7-12 guys there who would play seniors at other clubs.
Does the VFL need to look at the salary cap to allow stand alone teams to recruit more players? I think so.
A stand alone club must pay 44 players weekly, yet the aligned teams have all there AFL players on contracts and really could throw a heap of cash at say 5-8 VFL players and you would have a mighty side.

Lets see what Frankston comes up with over summer.

paul

Burraburger, the Dolphins have pretty much the same team as 2008, having lost only 3 players from the finals team. While I understand that people need to produce PR when questions are asked, the youth argument doesn’t add up given that Brett Lovett largely turned his back on recruits and played young, local players.

With Burns, Ablett and Ongarello returning to the list this year, it certainly wasn’t any younger than in 2008. I believe in the finals last year 3/4 of the team was under 23. So the line that this was a rebuilding year seems a bit suss.

Frankston dont have money to recruit big names, but have shown repeatedly in the past – and can show again – that it is more than possible to be competitive with the cream of local talent.

footyman

I won't comment too much cos my last spray of the Frankston FC didn't go down to well at all.....

Other than to say, I think they have (or had) a really good core group of players this year who may well be lost to the Frankston FC going forward. That would be disappointing, they need to keep guys like Magner, Marigliani, Proctor, Dickson etc together and build a team around those guys.

If Grant's not the man they should cut him loose, the new board should admit the club made a mistake and go in search of someone who can help make the Frankston FC a proud and respected footy club again.

burraburger

Paul I understand that Frankston havnt lost too many players, however If you lose 3-4 guys over summer and then have say another 3 of your regulars playing in the reserves it makes a massive difference to a stand alone side. 6 or 7 out of your side when your stand alone really hurts.

I too beleive that with all the local talent in the area and just a couple of good recruits they can be very competitve.

Our first season standing alone really opened my eyes to how good the compettion is and that guys need 30, 40, 50 games to be top VFL players.
Although we finished bottom in 2006 we had some good kids coming through and getting a taste of VFL footy. Nahas, Dwyer, Cain, Bonaddio and Pinwell were in and out of the side and def not regulars. But look what they have gone onto after getting more experience.

There's plenty of talent at Frankston, no worries there,

BrekkyDJ
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Start a campaign.... Kevin Sheedy to Frankston???

Dolphin

[quote=vfa]......
Phil Cleary got offered the job and seriously considered it. I think the travel was the factor that he did not take the job.
I guarentee you Frankston with Cleary at the helm would have feared far better.
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Cleary was never offered the job.

NorthPort
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[quote=burraburger]
Why was Paul Kennedy playing so many reserves game????
Why was Dean Limbach playing so many reserves games???
Why did Frankston not recruit when they lost so much experience the past year???
[/quote]

Good question, why has Paul Kennedy played so many reserves games this year? How has his form been? The times I've seen him he has been alright. Injury?

We must have a few posters here that might shed some light on that.







BrekkyDJ
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Personally I was shocked (when 3WBC went to Frankston to cover the BH v Dolphins game) on how small the President's Luncheon crowd was.

I think it total roughly 20-30 people there (from Memory).

I've certainly seen more at the PMFC Luncheons.

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