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footyman

[quote=d_train]Have Williamstown even been involved in this process at all? They're not mentioned in the OP as far as can see.

Unless I'm missing something, this new rule means Werribee can't sign Hartigan because they have already signed to Jets players regardless of what Williamstown say/do?

If that's the case why all the negativity towards Williamstown?

If Williamstown have actively played a part in preventing Hartigan moving then I can understand the negativity towards them - but the OP doesn't mention them doing anything of the sort.

As far as I can tell, the VFL have introdocued a rediculous rule and their the ones to blame.[/quote]
My bad, didnt explain how I understand the rule to work well enough.

As far as I'm aware, the rule allows each club two players, and then permission may be granted for more as well as an appropriate transfer fee worked out.

So in this case, Williamstown are refusing to let Werribee sign Hartigan. But they could agree to let him play there, and come to an appropriate financial arrangement with Werribee.

We have bagged Williamstown for raiding other zones, but to my knowledge they have not signed more than two players from each TAC Cup zone outside their Jets area.

It's a messy rule, like most things the VFL do, just poorly thought out.

footyman

[quote=Dale61]
How do we know it isn't all the VFL's doing? I know that Williamstown don't chase a player once they have decided that they want to play elsewhere. A perfect example of that was when a player from Spotswood - Keenan - decided that he was going to play for Werribee. Williamstown offered twice the money Werribee did, but he still wanted to play at Werribee. Williamstown soon gave up and started looking elsewhere for players. I know this is how it happened as I heard it straight from the mouth of the person who did the negotiating.

I find it very hard to believe that Williamstown will prevent a player from playing where he wants. They would prefer to see a player develop rather than sit out a year.[/quote] Perhaps you should contact your club and find out their side of the story and share it with us? Williamstown have every right to share their side of the story - as Werribee have done.

Forget your Keenan story, totally different. He could choose where he wanted to go. This new rule prohibits the player from making the decision and gives too much power to AFL Victoria and the VFL clubs.

Williamstown are just doing what they are entitled to do which is restrict Werribee from signing another Western Jets player. Werribee have already signed the two Western Jets they are allowed to sign without requiring Williamstown's input - any more than that must be done with Williamstown's blessing. As I understand it, Williamstown have refused to allowed Kyle Hartigan to go to the club of his choice which is Werribee.

AFL Victoria are to blame just as much as Williamstown, but all the Williamstown CEO had to do for the good of football and for the good of an 18 year olds future is come to terms with Werribee and permit the kid to play where he wants. Perhaps Curry would prefer to see a person sit out footy for a year or go to the SANFL than be seen bending over, or showing a bit of common sense? Or maybe he just wants Hartigan for a year in the hope he can sell him off to South Adelaide for $20,000 at the end of 2010 like Williamstown tend do with their players annually.

It is the VFL's rule, and it's a howler. And John Hook is ultimately the one whose neck should be crunched for dreaming up yet another pathetic rule.

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Solution,

this kid can sign up for Port Colts, Spotty or some club in the WRFL.
Play a couple of games then transfer to Werribee.
If he has to wait a year then play for the bees in 2011.
The VFL cannot stop him in 2011 season.

He has not been drafted so he should be able to play where he likes.
Stupid rule.

Dolphin

[quote=Dale61]I have a problem .........[/QUOTE]
I agree, and then I stopped reading.

bcarbonaro

I read about this on our club website about a week or so ago, it appears like the poor kid is being denied an opportunity to play VFL football at a club he would like to be involved with.

Also, did anyone see in VFL stabs the mention of Scott Howard and him becoming an umpire?

My opinion is that if he he has signed with us for season 2010, he should honour his contract regardless of what the circumstance is with umpiring etc.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the matter?

Dolphin

[quote=bcarbonaro]I read about this on our club website about a week or so ago, it appears like the poor kid is being denied an opportunity to play VFL football at a club he would like to be involved with.

Also, did anyone see in VFL stabs the mention of Scott Howard and him becoming an umpire?

My opinion is that if he he has signed with us for season 2010, he should honour his contract regardless of what the circumstance is with umpiring etc.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the matter?[/quote]

Read what you wrote again.

On one hand (Hartigan), you are outraged that a player should be allowed to do what he wants.

Then, you are outraged that a player (Howard) wants to do something else and shouldn't be allowed to.

You need to get some consistency sorted out. At least within the one post.

In any event, a contract signed by a player prevents that player playing elsewhere. If, for some reason he wants to do something else, then he is free to do so.

There is no breach, and after some further steps, he can can be replaced on the list. He would obviously not be paid.

No big deal at all.

d_train

From Werribee's website

Kyle is a good judge of his footy future

The Werribee Football Club is pleased to announce the signing of Kyle Hartigan.

The former Western Jets captain joins the club for season 2010 and is looking forward to life in his new football home. “I was hoping to be drafted but that didn’t happen, so I wanted to play at a club that had an AFL- like football structure and Werribee offered that. I met with Simon Atkins and immediately I was impressed with his thoughts on the game and how I would fit in at the Tigers”.

Hartigan played his junior football at Keilor before catching the eye of the Jets staff. He joined the Jets as a 17 year old and was appointed captain in his final year (2009).He was selected for the Vic Metro squad in 2008 and 2009.

Hartigan knows his future is in his own hands. “It is up to me to work hard and make the most of this opportunity. Look at what Michael Barlow was able to achieve last year and Dale Morris and Ben Hudson before him. I just want to concentrate on my footy and see what the future brings”.

The recruiting of Hartigan has seen a new agreement between the Werribee and Williamstown Football Clubs in relation to players who live in the City of Wyndham and their football future. CEO of Werribee Mark Penaluna was happy with the outcome. “We are happy to have Kyle as a Werribee player and hope he grabs his opportunity with both hands. The new agreement has cleared the way for both Williamstown and ourselves to give the aspiring young players of the west their best shot at living their dream”.

footyman

Common sense prevails.

Although I found it funny that the local papers in the West ran a story on Tuesday which contained the following two quotes:

A bit of wisdom from the muppet John Hook that only he would understand -

``Werribee should have nominated the best kids who didn't get drafted, and targeted those two best kids, and then worked on the others,'' Hook said.

Does John not realise the National Draft wasn't held until Nov 26, and the Rookie Draft until Dec 15? Werribee thought Kyle was a shoe in to be drafted, so are the clubs not meant to sign anybody at all until after Dec 15 and the drafts are finished?? Werribee went back training in early November, it's unfair to delay signing other players because there's a faint chance somebody whose expected to be drafted isn't. And besides, Captain Hook didn't bring this stupid rule in until mid November anyway - well and truly AFTER clubs had committed to players who were no chance of being drafted. I think Werribee might have signed their first two Jets players prior to that rule even being introduced.

And this one from Brendan Curry -

Seagulls general manager Brendan Curry said the club would not budge in Hartigan's case. "There's no hope at all of that happening," a defiant Curry said.

Yeah, right!!!

Nice to see common sense prevailed and hopefully going forward there is a process in place for all parties to follow.

digs

[quote=footyman]Common sense prevails.

Although I found it funny that the local papers in the West ran a story on Tuesday which contained the following two quotes:

A bit of wisdom from the muppet John Hook that only he would understand -

``Werribee should have nominated the best kids who didn't get drafted, and targeted those two best kids, and then worked on the others,'' Hook said.

Does John not realise the National Draft wasn't held until Nov 26, and the Rookie Draft until Dec 15? Werribee thought Kyle was a shoe in to be drafted, so are the clubs not meant to sign anybody at all until after Dec 15 and the drafts are finished?? Werribee went back training in early November, it's unfair to delay signing other players because there's a faint chance somebody whose expected to be drafted isn't. And besides, Captain Hook didn't bring this stupid rule in until mid November anyway - well and truly AFTER clubs had committed to players who were no chance of being drafted. I think Werribee might have signed their first two Jets players prior to that rule even being introduced.

And this one from Brendan Curry -

Seagulls general manager Brendan Curry said the club would not budge in Hartigan's case. "There's no hope at all of that happening," a defiant Curry said.

Yeah, right!!!

Nice to see common sense prevailed and hopefully going forward there is a process in place for all parties to follow.[/quote]

I'll let you all know tomorrow night if all the fuss was worth it !!!

We might be from the bush. but we ain't green

digs

[quote=digs][quote=footyman]Common sense prevails.

Although I found it funny that the local papers in the West ran a story on Tuesday which contained the following two quotes:

A bit of wisdom from the muppet John Hook that only he would understand -

``Werribee should have nominated the best kids who didn't get drafted, and targeted those two best kids, and then worked on the others,'' Hook said.

Does John not realise the National Draft wasn't held until Nov 26, and the Rookie Draft until Dec 15? Werribee thought Kyle was a shoe in to be drafted, so are the clubs not meant to sign anybody at all until after Dec 15 and the drafts are finished?? Werribee went back training in early November, it's unfair to delay signing other players because there's a faint chance somebody whose expected to be drafted isn't. And besides, Captain Hook didn't bring this stupid rule in until mid November anyway - well and truly AFTER clubs had committed to players who were no chance of being drafted. I think Werribee might have signed their first two Jets players prior to that rule even being introduced.

And this one from Brendan Curry -

Seagulls general manager Brendan Curry said the club would not budge in Hartigan's case. "There's no hope at all of that happening," a defiant Curry said.

Yeah, right!!!

Nice to see common sense prevailed and hopefully going forward there is a process in place for all parties to follow.[/quote]

I'll let you all know tomorrow night if all the fuss was worth it !!![/quote]

After all that, He played in the twos & I saw very little of the game.
Maybe that intrepid reporter Benny might be able to give us a more accurate report on how he went.

We might be from the bush. but we ain't green

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