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I was flicking through The Association Football Recorder from 23 July 1972 which had this fascinating little commentary on the relationship of the Port Melb and South Melb footy clubs.
Interested in thoughts from long-time Port or VFA supporters on some of the views.
Here's an extract of the article written by "Midfield":

Port Melbourne suffered a terrific shock when after signing Wayne Walsh and selecting him in their team to play Sandringham on July 2, South Melbourne sold Walsh to Richmond for $5,000.
South Melbourne were football parasites who had lived off Port Melbourne for years, was the immediate reaction from Port Secretary, Mr Norm Goss.
It is well known in VFA circles that Port Melbourne has been South Melbounre's most profitable recruiting ground for years.
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...at the moment, South is a sinking ship and the resignation papers of officials are tumbling on the committee table like snow flakes at Mount Bulla......
...Port has cleared Peter Bedford, Shane McKew, Gary Brice and Norm Goss Jnr over the past few years and they have not cost South Melbourne a cent....
...it has taken a long time for Port to realise that there is little hope of real friendship between clubs from VFA and VFL.

Fantastic quote from Norm Goss.
Just for the record, 22,000 people attended the 5 Division 1 games that day in 1972. The largest was the 9,000 that saw top team Oakleigh demolish 3rd placed Dandenong. 6,000 saw Willy host Port, with the Recorders tipster quoting ".. I lean to the form team - Port Melbourne" Unfortunately he was right.

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Stumbled on this website just recently - thought it was relevant to relationships between South & Port, but more at a supporter level than club level, interesting reading ...

http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/forum/showthread.php/27069-South-Melbou...

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Great read Wally. Interestingly Peter Bedford and Gary Brice both played in the infamous VFA GF for Port in 1967. Both had great VFL careers with Bedford of course winning a brownlow in 1970. Frank Johnson was a super star for Port and then crossed to South at a late age and was even a bigger superstar.

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I supported South Melbourne as well Port Melbourne in my early days before South Melbourne relocated to Sydney and have seen Frank Johnson, Peter Bedford,Gary Brice,Shane McKew,Vic Aanensen,Norm Goss Jnr,Kevin Goss,Greg Dermott,Bernie Evans & the great Bob Skilton all play for Port Melbourne & South Melbourne at some time.

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From my memory the relationship between Port and South was never that friendly although the supporters were closer a bit like Sandy and St Kilda.

A lot of people may not know that the VFA played games on wed nights under lights at the SMCG I went in 1957 with my father to Port v Willy at South that had a crowd of 10,000 but after a couple of years the crowds petered out and the games were stopped.

The VFA also played the VFL under lights at South in 1958 as part of the centenery of Australian Football Carnival .The VFA hung on into the 3rd qtr but the VFL ended winning by about 10 goals.BTW the VFL had the likes of Whitten,Skilton,Barassi,Goldsmith,Aylett,Mantello playing for them with the great Norm Smith as coach.

In that game a young Bobby Skilton played on his Uncle Rob Atkinson who was a Port star and of course Skilton fulfilled his boyhood dream of playing for his beloved Port in 1975 the year both he and Barassi pulled on the red and blue jumper.

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Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

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zebraman wrote:
Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

Didn't Skilton win or nearly win Port's B&F that year after playing about 8 games?may have done ok in the Liston also if my memory serves me correctly ...

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bobbyborough wrote:
I supported South Melbourne as well Port Melbourne in my early days before South Melbourne relocated to Sydney and have seen Frank Johnson, Peter Bedford,Gary Brice,Shane McKew,Vic Aanensen,Norm Goss Jnr,Kevin Goss,Greg Dermott,Bernie Evans & the great Bob Skilton all play for Port Melbourne & South Melbourne at some time.

Go Borough! 2011

Crikey, you saw Frank Johnston play? He moved to South in 1960 at the age of 29 and won South's B&F in his first year beating the great Booby Skilton, pretty amazing story. I see him on the train occassionally, still looks in pretty good nick for an 80yo.

I'm also another South tragic, but i don't remember Greg Dermott playing there. Did he play seniors? You can also add Tony Haenan, Rod Carter, Peter Hall & Terry O'Niell to that list, just off the top of my head.

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I saw Frank Johnston play in the 54, 55 & 56 Grand finals. I can't 100% recall if he played in all three.

I add that Willy beat Port in all of those GF's

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Wally from Williamstown wrote:
zebraman wrote:
Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

Didn't Skilton win or nearly win Port's B&F that year after playing about 8 games?may have done ok in the Liston also if my memory serves me correctly ...

Don't know if this is a very realiable source but I found this:
Did Skilton play just 1972 or 1973 as well?

http://wiki.fcmelbourne.com.au/Bob+Skilton

"A former playing coach of the Swans, Skilton beat out nine other candidates for the job after a year spent with Port Melbourne in the VFA where he won a best-and-fairest, and finished third in the Liston Medal playing just 11 games."

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Would appreciate any corrections to the page listed above if not correct. The links on that page have been wrecked by Google News Archive changing everything around and I can't go back into the articles listed at the bottom to confirm if that's where the information came from.

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blackrocker wrote:
I saw Frank Johnston play in the 54, 55 & 56 Grand finals. I can't 100% recall if he played in all three.

I add that Willy beat Port in all of those GF's

Wow, some of u guys on here make me feel young :-)

I think Channel 31 has some film of those GF's from the 1950's, would love to see Gerry the Monster in action ...

There are a couple of links on the net to Frank Johnson, www.fullpointsfooty.net states that he played in eight consecutive VFA grand finals with the Borough, albeit for just one win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Johnson_(footballer)
http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/i-j.htm#Frank%20Johnson%20(Port%20Melbourne%20&%20South%20Melbourne)

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Slammin Sammy Says wrote:
Wally from Williamstown wrote:
zebraman wrote:
Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

Didn't Skilton win or nearly win Port's B&F that year after playing about 8 games?may have done ok in the Liston also if my memory serves me correctly ...

Don't know if this is a very realiable source but I found this:
Did Skilton play just 1972 or 1973 as well?

http://wiki.fcmelbourne.com.au/Bob+Skilton

"A former playing coach of the Swans, Skilton beat out nine other candidates for the job after a year spent with Port Melbourne in the VFA where he won a best-and-fairest, and finished third in the Liston Medal playing just 11 games."

I think he just played the one season, 1972. On the Port website is a list of every player who has played at Port, it lists Skilton as playing just 11 games, but only records the year he first played, not the length of his career there. Some of the Port people on here would know for sure. Interestingly, Barrassi only played 3 games, but he would have been a fair age by then.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-118-10462-0-0&sID=55...

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Wally from Williamstown wrote:
Slammin Sammy Says wrote:
Wally from Williamstown wrote:
zebraman wrote:
Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

Didn't Skilton win or nearly win Port's B&F that year after playing about 8 games?may have done ok in the Liston also if my memory serves me correctly ...

Don't know if this is a very realiable source but I found this:
Did Skilton play just 1972 or 1973 as well?

http://wiki.fcmelbourne.com.au/Bob+Skilton

"A former playing coach of the Swans, Skilton beat out nine other candidates for the job after a year spent with Port Melbourne in the VFA where he won a best-and-fairest, and finished third in the Liston Medal playing just 11 games."

I think he just played the one season, 1972. On the Port website is a list of every player who has played at Port, it lists Skilton as playing just 11 games, but only records the year he first played, not the length of his career there. Some of the Port people on here would know for sure. Interestingly, Barrassi only played 3 games, but he would have been a fair age by then.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-118-10462-0-0&sID=55...
Bob Skilton played only the one season in 1972 for 11 games also I'm sure he won our best & fairest also.He polled well in the liston trophy and would have won it if he played more games.I also remeber Ron Barrassi playing them 3 games as well.

Go Borough! 2011

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Wally from Williamstown wrote:
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I supported South Melbourne as well Port Melbourne in my early days before South Melbourne relocated to Sydney and have seen Frank Johnson, Peter Bedford,Gary Brice,Shane McKew,Vic Aanensen,Norm Goss Jnr,Kevin Goss,Greg Dermott,Bernie Evans & the great Bob Skilton all play for Port Melbourne & South Melbourne at some time.

Go Borough! 2011

Crikey, you saw Frank Johnston play? He moved to South in 1960 at the age of 29 and won South's B&F in his first year beating the great Booby Skilton, pretty amazing story. I see him on the train occassionally, still looks in pretty good nick for an 80yo.

I'm also another South tragic, but i don't remember Greg Dermott playing there. Did he play seniors? You can also add Tony Haenan, Rod Carter, Peter Hall & Terry O'Niell to that list, just off the top of my head.


I must have thought that Greg Dermott played at South Melbourne but records show he didn't.I seen Frank Johnston play at South Melbourne as I would have been close to 6 years old when he played his last game at Port Melbourne in 1959 a bit young to remeber him at the Borough.Also I remeber Tony Haenen, Rod Carter,Peter Hall & Terry O'Neill coming from South play with Port.Another two players to add who played with Port and South is Stephen Allender & Syd Anderson.

Go Borough! 2011

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zebraman wrote:
Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

Sorry about the date.It was the biggest crowd at Sandy est 15-17,000. The club had let it be known that BarryHooker Harrison was going to play on Barassi.When the rain came about half the crowd left.

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Wal from Willy said .... There are a couple of links on the net to Frank Johnson, www.fullpointsfooty.net states that he played in eight consecutive VFA grand finals with the Borough, albeit for just one win.

How sweet was that; it does not get much better !!!

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blackrocker wrote:
Wal from Willy said .... There are a couple of links on the net to Frank Johnson, www.fullpointsfooty.net states that he played in eight consecutive VFA grand finals with the Borough, albeit for just one win.

How sweet was that; it does not get much better !!!

You are a cruel man Rocker !!!!

We might be from the bush. but we ain't green

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blackrocker wrote:
Wal from Willy said .... There are a couple of links on the net to Frank Johnson, www.fullpointsfooty.net states that he played in eight consecutive VFA grand finals with the Borough, albeit for just one win.

How sweet was that; it does not get much better !!!

It must be sad when you worry about something that happened in the 1950's as that is history now.The sweet part is that the Borough still lead the premiership table and we may not have won since 1982 but nobody can catch us at the moment.!!!!!!

Go Borough! 2011

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Bobby

On second thoughts it could have been sweeter; if you and the current Bourgh Brigade had witnessed the one win out of eight. (seven losses)

1982 is also history

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Bobbyborough don't forget to mention your team had 45 years start in the competition before Sandy and most other clubs so that certainly helps.
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Slammin Sammy Says wrote:
Wally from Williamstown wrote:
zebraman wrote:
Billy...it was 1972 when Skilton and Barassi played their 1st games for Port...the game was at Sandy...huge crowd there..then a huge downpour at 1/2 time..it was John Scholes 1st game for Sandy as well...and my 1st game on the scoreboard...I remember going to the office at 1/2 time...Clem Dimsey was giving a match update over the phone...a mate and I had finished painting ZEBRAS on the grandstand roof the night before the game

Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Sandy

Didn't Skilton win or nearly win Port's B&F that year after playing about 8 games?may have done ok in the Liston also if my memory serves me correctly ...

Don't know if this is a very realiable source but I found this:
Did Skilton play just 1972 or 1973 as well?

http://wiki.fcmelbourne.com.au/Bob+Skilton

"A former playing coach of the Swans, Skilton beat out nine other candidates for the job after a year spent with Port Melbourne in the VFA where he won a best-and-fairest, and finished third in the Liston Medal playing just 11 games."

I've finally found the link to that article

http://news.google.com.au/newspapers?id=VMlUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4ZADAAAAIBAJ&p...

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bobbyborough wrote:
I supported South Melbourne as well Port Melbourne in my early days before South Melbourne relocated to Sydney and have seen Frank Johnson, Peter Bedford,Gary Brice,Shane McKew,Vic Aanensen,Norm Goss Jnr,Kevin Goss,Greg Dermott,Bernie Evans & the great Bob Skilton all play for Port Melbourne & South Melbourne at some time.

Go Borough! 2011


Last Sunday i played in the port melbourne past players golf day,names included all johnsons,the barrel,peter wilkinson,arms anderson,suds daley,mick irwin.graeme clark,glen robertson,just to name a few,awesome day,its my third yr and they all make you feel like one of them..

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Wally from Williamstown wrote:
bobbyborough wrote:
I supported South Melbourne as well Port Melbourne in my early days before South Melbourne relocated to Sydney and have seen Frank Johnson, Peter Bedford,Gary Brice,Shane McKew,Vic Aanensen,Norm Goss Jnr,Kevin Goss,Greg Dermott,Bernie Evans & the great Bob Skilton all play for Port Melbourne & South Melbourne at some time.

Go Borough! 2011

Crikey, you saw Frank Johnston play? He moved to South in 1960 at the age of 29 and won South's B&F in his first year beating the great Booby Skilton, pretty amazing story. I see him on the train occassionally, still looks in pretty good nick for an 80yo.

I'm also another South tragic, but i don't remember Greg Dermott playing there. Did he play seniors? You can also add Tony Haenan, Rod Carter, Peter Hall & Terry O'Niell to that list, just off the top of my head.

This is an old topic but I found out some information about Greg Dermott concerning whether he played at South Melbourne.I was speaking to him at the qualifying final against Casey Scorpins and asked him if he had ever played at South Melbourne and he informed me he played 4 reserves games I think in 1978 but didn't get on with the coach of the reserves team who was Tony Franklin and left to return to play with Port Melbourne.I thought I was right that he had been at South Melbourne but never played in the seniors.

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Somthing everyday. If somone was to make a team of players who have pulled on tbe borough jumper just once it would be a bloody good side.

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