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Geelong's 7 VFA flags

Seeking recognition of Geelong's VFA flags. Also, redevelopment of Kardinia Park stadium costs.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/cats-wear-the-cost-of-home...

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And if Geelong's push to have the club’s seven VFA flags formally written into AFL/VFL history was successful, would Pt Adelaide then be entitled to have their 27 SANFL flags also included, thus elevating them to the top of the premiership flag table? Could just imagine Eddie's face if that were to ever happen ....

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On a similar note, I heard Sam Keckovich say on TV just the other day that North Melbourne only came into existence in 1925, the year they joined the VFL (AFL). You would think that a self-proclaimed expert on just about everything would have been aware that the club he played for was established in 1869 and won 6 VFA flags before 1925. Pretty ordinary considering he played in the VFA, albeit for just one season, and was a commentator for the ABC on VFA telecasts for many years.

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[quote=Wally from Williamstown]

And if Geelong's push to have the club’s seven VFA flags formally written into AFL/VFL history was successful, would Pt Adelaide then be entitled to have their 27 SANFL flags also included, thus elevating them to the top of the premiership flag table? Could just imagine Eddie's face if that were to ever happen ....

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NO!Because the VFA became the VFL/AFL and ALL the current Victorian teams and South Melb/Swans were firstly in the VFA the Port Adelaide wasnt it was only in the SAFA/SANFL

Of course all the original Champions of the Colony/Premierships in the VFA should be recognised without the VFA history and the existance there would be NO AFL today and thats a fact!We all know that the VFL throught its history tried to deny the fact that all of its clubs were ex VFA and even up till recently the AFL was also in denial FFS they even commissioned a book in 1996 "The hundred years of Football" that almost wrote to VFA out of existance but in the end as always the truth will out.
Its a bit like saying Melbourne didnt exist before 1851 when Victoria was proclaimed a seperate Stste to NSW.

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[quote=billythekid]

Wally from Williamstown wrote:

And if Geelong's push to have the club’s seven VFA flags formally written into AFL/VFL history was successful, would Pt Adelaide then be entitled to have their 27 SANFL flags also included, thus elevating them to the top of the premiership flag table? Could just imagine Eddie's face if that were to ever happen ....

NO!Because the VFA became the VFL/AFL and ALL the current Victorian teams and South Melb/Swans were firstly in the VFA the Port Adelaide wasnt it was only in the SAFA/SANFL

Of course all the original Champions of the Colony/Premierships in the VFA should be recognised without the VFA history and the existance there would be NO AFL today and thats a fact!We all know that the VFL throught its history tried to deny the fact that all of its clubs were ex VFA and even up till recently the AFL was also in denial FFS they even commissioned a book in 1996 "The hundred years of Football" that almost wrote to VFA out of existance but in the end as always the truth will out.
Its a bit like saying Melbourne didnt exist before 1851 when Victoria was proclaimed a seperate Stste to NSW.

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The VFA didn't become the VFL/VFA, it was a break-away competition & both existed independently until 1996. If the VFA had become the VFL/AFL it, or the name at least, would have ceased to exist. You are correct to say that all the Victorian-based AFL teams including the Swans originated in the VFA, but i can also envisage the argument that if the Victorian-based AFL teams including the Swans were permitted to claim the flags won in a competition they played in prior to the VFL/AFL, then Pt Adelaide would think that they could do the same. I'm not saying its right but I think that Pt Adelaide could mount such an argument. Eddie would immediately snuff it out, of course.

On the same issue, could Brisbane not rightfully lay claim to Fitzroy's 1895 VFA premiership? If it was truly a merger rather than a takeover, then should Brisbane be able to claim all Fitzroy's VFA/VFL flags plus the three that the Lions won in the early 2000's? There may be questions of different entities, etc. but its a thought-provoking argument.

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[quote=Wally from Williamstown]

billythekid wrote:

Wally from Williamstown wrote:And if Geelong's push to have the club’s seven VFA flags formally written into AFL/VFL history was successful, would Pt Adelaide then be entitled to have their 27 SANFL flags also included, thus elevating them to the top of the premiership flag table? Could just imagine Eddie's face if that were to ever happen ....
NO!Because the VFA became the VFL/AFL and ALL the current Victorian teams and South Melb/Swans were firstly in the VFA the Port Adelaide wasnt it was only in the SAFA/SANFL
Of course all the original Champions of the Colony/Premierships in the VFA should be recognised without the VFA history and the existance there would be NO AFL today and thats a fact!We all know that the VFL throught its history tried to deny the fact that all of its clubs were ex VFA and even up till recently the AFL was also in denial FFS they even commissioned a book in 1996 "The hundred years of Football" that almost wrote to VFA out of existance but in the end as always the truth will out.
Its a bit like saying Melbourne didnt exist before 1851 when Victoria was proclaimed a seperate Stste to NSW.

The VFA didn't become the VFL/VFA, it was a break-away competition & both existed independently until 1996. If the VFA had become the VFL/AFL it, or the name at least, would have ceased to exist. You are correct to say that all the Victorian-based AFL teams including the Swans originated in the VFA, but i can also envisage the argument that if the Victorian-based AFL teams including the Swans were permitted to claim the flags won in a competition they played in prior to the VFL/AFL, then Pt Adelaide would think that they could do the same. I'm not saying its right but I think that Pt Adelaide could mount such an argument. Eddie would immediately snuff it out, of course.

On the same issue, could Brisbane not rightfully lay claim to Fitzroy's 1895 VFA premiership? If it was truly a merger rather than a takeover, then should Brisbane be able to claim all Fitzroy's VFA/VFL flags plus the three that the Lions won in the early 2000's? There may be questions of different entities, etc. but its a thought-provoking argument.

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I think the only solution to the Port problem is that the Pre AFL premierships could be counted as won as a "state" flag

I see that Footscray always count their 9 VFA flags won but it is most likely better that only pre the 1897 season be counted as you rightly point out that the VFA and VFL were in existence together for over 100 years and are even so now Of course the current VFL has its origins in the VFA.The renaming of the VFA to the VFL was one last slight pulled by the AFL/VFL on its longtime nemesis.

The other massive elephant in the AFL room is that the comp is still basically the 12 former VFL teams (Sydney and Brisbane with VFL links) with 6 interstate teams tscked on to make it "national"