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footyman
[quote="iceman"][quote:45a85253fe="footyman"]Thumbs up to Williamstown, of all the clubs in the VFL they're streets ahead of all other clubs in keeping everybody informed via their website.[/quote] The Scorpions have been on par if not better than Williamstown this pre-season aswell, Williamstown have been pretty good with their Website for as long as I can remember though.[/quote] Good point, I apologise for the oversight there. I have enjoyed the Casey one during the summer too, has had a lot of fresh content and already got player profiles etc up. And I guess given the site is their own, rather than the generic AFL Victoria site, adds a lot to it as well.
Dolphin
[quote="caseyscorp"]PPS And if the Dolphins hierarchy is secretly concerned about the prospect of being overrun on their own turf by the Saints, but too apprehensive of the prospect of an adverse reaction from a local community buoyed by the St Kilda announcement to come out publicly and say anything negative, then it won’t do Frankston FC any good down the track to wish it had been more upfront in 2007 and 2008.[/quote] Now this one I agree with. However, I think you will find that the fire actually harmed Frankston strength (if any) in the ongoing facility. With the stand there, it limited what Council and the Saints could do. The fire actually took that away. And as a member of the local community, I think you will find that the a large portion of the community is getting a little concerned over the whole St Kilda deal, and the fire, and the way things are starting to make a bit more sense to them.
caseyscorp
[quote="Dolphin"]With the stand there, it limited what Council and the Saints could do. The fire actually took that away.[/quote] Spot on. In my opinion (for what it's worth), the obstacles would have become so great that the whole thing would ultimately have fallen over. The physical siting constraints, the legal process about disposal of the Plowman Place land for the office building (in a Council election year), the carparking probelms in an area which already has carparking issues, the need to get planning permits, the need to preserve the views to the bay through the western goals (I could go on and on). The Frankston FC, originally privately opposed to the arrangement but appearing to fall into line for the "community good" would start to exert some negative vibes behind the scenes. Eventually the Saints and the Council would have lost patience with one another (similar to Kingston), and St Kilda would have tried to re-enter the Casey Fields negotiations. The fire took that outcome away, and my wish to have St Kilda at Casey Fields with it. [quote:5a00dd5571="Dolphin"]And as a member of the local community, I think you will find that the a large portion of the community is getting a little concerned over the whole St Kilda deal, and the fire, and the way things are starting to make a bit more sense to them. [/quote] I'm not surprised at all. The recent public advertisement of Council's intention to give the Plowman Place allotment to St Kilda FC might generate some objections I'd think (as the initial community foray against the project).
bigman
Hey Casey, i think like a lot of people we are over all of your saddness in relation to getting the saints to casey. Please move on and lets hear no more tissue stories please. Hurry up Games so we have something to talk about.
caseyscorp
[quote="bigman"]Hey Casey, i think like a lot of people we are over all of your saddness in relation to getting the saints to casey. Please move on and lets hear no more tissue stories please. [/quote] I think you need to read my posts a bit more closely. I will repeat (for your benefit): [quote:d0713b3f52="caseyscorp"]I have got over it as far as Casey Fields is concerned. I got over it the day the fire ended the propspect of St Kilda going there. But I'm still interested in St Kilda's arrangements at Frankston, so I'll continue to express views about it.[/quote] Simple really.
bigman
well we are all happy about that Casey.
caseyscorp
I don't think this thread used to be relegated to the Site Feedback Forum. I think it moved a few days ago when I posted something similar to the start of this post (although I have since seen the advertisement and can provide some info from it). The post I submitted seemed to disappear at the same time. [quote="Dolphin"][quote:efc615fed1="caseyscorp"]PPS And if the Dolphins hierarchy is secretly concerned about the prospect of being overrun on their own turf by the Saints, but too apprehensive of the prospect of an adverse reaction from a local community buoyed by the St Kilda announcement to come out publicly and say anything negative, then it won’t do Frankston FC any good down the track to wish it had been more upfront in 2007 and 2008.[/quote] Now this one I agree with.[/quote] I note that you took my advice. Full page advert in the Frankston Leader this week putting the Dolphin's official view of matters associated with the fire, the rebuilding of the grandstand and the St KFC. I'm surprised Frankston posters haven't highlighted the appearance of the advertisement. It is a major statement. Essentially in relation to each the Dolphins say: [u]FIRE[/u] Deliberately lit. Two fires had been started the day before and put out by the automatic sprinkler system. The major fire was started in a part of the stand where there were no sprinklers. The stand was owned and insured by Frankston Council. [u]Re-building[/u] The club has requested the Council to rebuild the grandstand to accomodate 1,000 people and to replicate facade features of the previous structure. The community of Frankston should have input into the building projects, the ground should retain its identity as the peoples ground and the main sporting venue on the Mornington Peninsula. [u]St KFC[/u] After several meetings with FCC, FFC agreed to the proposal to accommodate ST KFC based on training facilities on Frankston Park and the admin facilities on the Plowman Place allotment. FFC agreed to the development on the basis of documented Council proposals that: • FFC would not be disadvantaged • FCC would address the long term financial position of the club • FCC would explore revenue opportunities including expanded social facilities for FFC. The fire created another option for FCC and St KFC in their rebuilding program (my note - there is no mention of FFC in this context, and they feel left out). FFC has just been informed that FCC has given in principle support to an integrated development on the south wing – ie where the grandstand used to be (my note – as I forecast in my earlier post, it was so obvious what would happen). FFC believes the integrated development will be successful provided: • the grandstand will accomodate 1,000 people and replicate facade features of the previous structure • spectator accommodation at the venue is not diminished, and can still host MPNFL finals • the playing area is not to be significantly changed.
caseyscorp
Another full page advert from the Dolphins coming this week I've heard. Perhaps Dolphin could give us a heads up.
billythekid
[quote="caseyscorp"]I don't think this thread used to be relegated to the Site Feedback Forum. I think it moved a few days ago when I posted something similar to the start of this post (although I have since seen the advertisement and can provide some info from it). The post I submitted seemed to disappear at the same time. [quote:085dd5cdd4="Dolphin"][quote:085dd5cdd4="caseyscorp"]PPS And if the Dolphins hierarchy is secretly concerned about the prospect of being overrun on their own turf by the Saints, but too apprehensive of the prospect of an adverse reaction from a local community buoyed by the St Kilda announcement to come out publicly and say anything negative, then it won’t do Frankston FC any good down the track to wish it had been more upfront in 2007 and 2008.[/quote] Now this one I agree with.[/quote] I note that you took my advice. Full page advert in the Frankston Leader this week putting the Dolphin's official view of matters associated with the fire, the rebuilding of the grandstand and the St KFC. I'm surprised Frankston posters haven't highlighted the appearance of the advertisement. It is a major statement. Essentially in relation to each the Dolphins say: [b][u]FIRE[/u] Deliberately lit. Two fires had been started the day before and put out by the automatic sprinkler system. The major fire was started in a part of the stand where there were no sprinklers. The stand was owned and insured by Frankston Council[/b]. [u]Re-building[/u] The club has requested the Council to rebuild the grandstand to accomodate 1,000 people and to replicate facade features of the previous structure. The community of Frankston should have input into the building projects, the ground should retain its identity as the peoples ground and the main sporting venue on the Mornington Peninsula. [u]St KFC[/u] The fire created another option for FCC and St KFC in their rebuilding program (my note - there is no mention of FFC in this context, and they feel left out). FFC has just been informed that FCC has given in principle support to an integrated development on the south wing – ie where the grandstand used to be (my note – as I forecast in my earlier post, it was so obvious what would happen). FFC believes the integrated development will be successful provided: • the grandstand will accomodate 1,000 people and replicate facade features of the previous structure • spectator accommodation at the venue is not diminished, and can still host MPNFL finals • the playing area is not to be significantly changed.[/quote] The fire stinks of a "jewish fire sale'! Any local council (Lets face it most local councilors are incompedent glad handers that are easily bought by a few trinkets like free memberships and GF tickets) thats gets into bed with a rapacous AFL club like St Kilda will rue the day and the local club will always come second.Go ask Kingston Council! When St Kilda FC shifted to Moorabbin in the 1960s the members voted NEVER to change their name even though the council expected the name Moorabbin to be mentioned.

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