The reasoning according to Peter Schwab, is to deter AFL clubs from fielding their own side. But surely if we have no limit on AFL players in aligned sides, then VFL listed players will really be little more than top-ups in sides like Box Hill, where their identity is all but lost.
This is also going to put additional pressure on the standalone sides. Remove the salary cap restrictions on standalone sides so that they have some chance of competing on a level playing field.
Afl victoria would have been better off letting more Afl reserves sides into the comp, forcing clubs like Willy and Sandy to stand on their own two feet.
The AFL clubs like Carlton have finally got what they want. For mine the standard of football between 2005-2010 was better under the 12/10 as the rule encouraged more depth on the VFL lists.
This won't be the last change, expect calls for the reserves to be scrapped and it won't be long before Frankston are given their marching orders. Some club officials and AFL Victoria people see Frankston as nothing but a pest.
This is probably one of the worst decisions the league can make for the good of the comp... i fear it will spell the end of the VFL eventually.
I agree with you bullants, I can see some big calls for the reserves to be scrapped. Top up players coming from TAC and a handful of local footballers.
As I understand some alignments will be severed over this summer, there is talk on safooty.net that Adelaide and Port Adelaide will be pushing for 'reserves' sides in the SANFL.
The North East Australia Football league is expected to go ahead in 2012 with GC, Bris, Syd, GWS as well as a handful of ACT, Sydney and QLD as well as NT involved in that.
Although AFLVIC claim that they don't want stand alone AFL sides in the comp, my understanding is that all clubs will be given the option and have to outlay their intentions for the short-mid term future re. standing alone.
How are clubs supposed to attract long term supporters if clubs are dictated to.
it's interesting how we always hear about clubs changing leagues to better themselves etc. etc. Springvale in the 80's had a vision to play in the best comp available. Clubs these days still have a similar desire but the buck stops at metropolitan football.
Re. Noble Park, Balwyn, Heidleberg.
In years gone by these clubs may have pushed to be in the VFA if they were in similar positions.
I dare say Balwayn spend more money on players then the majority of VFL clubs, but there is no appeal WHATSOEVER to be a part of the VFL.
Balwayn don't have u/18's or juniors either so it's not as of they would have to make way with those aspects of the club.
Each year i become less and less interested in the VFL as a comp. I will still buy me Scorps membership but the league is going backwards.
I wonder what will come from the alignments on the next few years. The deadline for AFL and VFL teams to flag their intentions for the future of their participation has come and gone.
We've had Sandy appoint Lovett with less input from St.Kilda then in the past. Lovett originally didn't want the Sandy job due to the alignment and being a St, Kilda supporter I have heard talk of St. Kilda wanting their own stand alone side in the future.
Apparently the Hawthorn/Box Hill alignment is a little shaky, Hawthorn apparently wanting also field their own side. Anyone know if DC will have a role with Hawthorn or purely VFL?
iceman wrote:I wonder what will come from the alignments on the next few years. The deadline for AFL and VFL teams to flag their intentions for the future of their participation has come and gone.
We've had Sandy appoint Lovett with less input from St.Kilda then in the past. Lovett originally didn't want the Sandy job due to the alignment and being a St, Kilda supporter I have heard talk of St. Kilda wanting their own stand alone side in the future.
Apparently the Hawthorn/Box Hill alignment is a little shaky, Hawthorn apparently wanting also field their own side. Anyone know if DC will have a role with Hawthorn or purely VFL?
DC has a development role at both Hawthorn and Box Hill.(joint appointment) Nothing new in the Hawks involving the Box hill coach in the structures that both teams will play and develope of coarse.
Very surprised to hear any suggestion that the Hawthorn/Box Hill allignment may be shaky Iceman.
What is it that you have heard? I couldn`t imagine where Hawthorn could possibly field a stand alone reserves side. Not that i think this has any chance of happening though.
Carlton are the ones I hear making noises about wanting to go stand alone.
I'm not really sure why they don't, they already pay for a coach and they have Visy Park already being used for VFL games
Other than the VFL saying they wouldn't give out anymore stand alone lisences what is holding them back? The cost of 15 or so players for their VFL list? Surely not
The other one is St Kilda but I don't see them having the money/big club attitude (see Collingwood) to pull it off. They certainly have been one of the most vocal complainers about alignments/VFL clubs. They have a ground, Moorabbin, but I don't see it happening.
I can only see things getting worse for the Sandy-Stkilda alignment given on here it was siad the Saints wouldn't let there players train at Sandy when Moorabbin and Sandy are so close. Imagine how it will be when the Saints are in Seaford!
A possible split alignment with Frankston and Sandy has been mooted on here. from what I've heard Frankston are not interested in alignments even part alignments.
Box Hill-Hawthorn has seemed like one of the most solid alignments - can't see it breaking up
So it's open slather next year.
The reasoning according to Peter Schwab, is to deter AFL clubs from fielding their own side. But surely if we have no limit on AFL players in aligned sides, then VFL listed players will really be little more than top-ups in sides like Box Hill, where their identity is all but lost.
This is also going to put additional pressure on the standalone sides. Remove the salary cap restrictions on standalone sides so that they have some chance of competing on a level playing field.
Afl victoria would have been better off letting more Afl reserves sides into the comp, forcing clubs like Willy and Sandy to stand on their own two feet.
The AFL clubs like Carlton have finally got what they want. For mine the standard of football between 2005-2010 was better under the 12/10 as the rule encouraged more depth on the VFL lists.
This won't be the last change, expect calls for the reserves to be scrapped and it won't be long before Frankston are given their marching orders. Some club officials and AFL Victoria people see Frankston as nothing but a pest.
This is probably one of the worst decisions the league can make for the good of the comp... i fear it will spell the end of the VFL eventually.
I agree with you bullants, I can see some big calls for the reserves to be scrapped. Top up players coming from TAC and a handful of local footballers.
As I understand some alignments will be severed over this summer, there is talk on safooty.net that Adelaide and Port Adelaide will be pushing for 'reserves' sides in the SANFL.
The North East Australia Football league is expected to go ahead in 2012 with GC, Bris, Syd, GWS as well as a handful of ACT, Sydney and QLD as well as NT involved in that.
Although AFLVIC claim that they don't want stand alone AFL sides in the comp, my understanding is that all clubs will be given the option and have to outlay their intentions for the short-mid term future re. standing alone.
How are clubs supposed to attract long term supporters if clubs are dictated to.
it's interesting how we always hear about clubs changing leagues to better themselves etc. etc. Springvale in the 80's had a vision to play in the best comp available. Clubs these days still have a similar desire but the buck stops at metropolitan football.
Re. Noble Park, Balwyn, Heidleberg.
In years gone by these clubs may have pushed to be in the VFA if they were in similar positions.
I dare say Balwayn spend more money on players then the majority of VFL clubs, but there is no appeal WHATSOEVER to be a part of the VFL.
Balwayn don't have u/18's or juniors either so it's not as of they would have to make way with those aspects of the club.
Each year i become less and less interested in the VFL as a comp. I will still buy me Scorps membership but the league is going backwards.
Iceman wrote
Each year i become less and less interested in the VFL as a comp. I will still buy me Scorps membership but the league is going backwards.
I'm getting a bit that way
I wonder what will come from the alignments on the next few years. The deadline for AFL and VFL teams to flag their intentions for the future of their participation has come and gone.
We've had Sandy appoint Lovett with less input from St.Kilda then in the past. Lovett originally didn't want the Sandy job due to the alignment and being a St, Kilda supporter I have heard talk of St. Kilda wanting their own stand alone side in the future.
Apparently the Hawthorn/Box Hill alignment is a little shaky, Hawthorn apparently wanting also field their own side. Anyone know if DC will have a role with Hawthorn or purely VFL?
DC has a development role at both Hawthorn and Box Hill.(joint appointment) Nothing new in the Hawks involving the Box hill coach in the structures that both teams will play and develope of coarse.
Very surprised to hear any suggestion that the Hawthorn/Box Hill allignment may be shaky Iceman.
What is it that you have heard? I couldn`t imagine where Hawthorn could possibly field a stand alone reserves side. Not that i think this has any chance of happening though.
Carlton are the ones I hear making noises about wanting to go stand alone.
I'm not really sure why they don't, they already pay for a coach and they have Visy Park already being used for VFL games
Other than the VFL saying they wouldn't give out anymore stand alone lisences what is holding them back? The cost of 15 or so players for their VFL list? Surely not
The other one is St Kilda but I don't see them having the money/big club attitude (see Collingwood) to pull it off. They certainly have been one of the most vocal complainers about alignments/VFL clubs. They have a ground, Moorabbin, but I don't see it happening.
I can only see things getting worse for the Sandy-Stkilda alignment given on here it was siad the Saints wouldn't let there players train at Sandy when Moorabbin and Sandy are so close. Imagine how it will be when the Saints are in Seaford!
A possible split alignment with Frankston and Sandy has been mooted on here. from what I've heard Frankston are not interested in alignments even part alignments.
Box Hill-Hawthorn has seemed like one of the most solid alignments - can't see it breaking up
Dale61 wrote: Slammin Sammy
Not according to Paddy Rose.
There's one up the western highway that works pretty well also.