http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,1941001…
Quote:Reserves comeback possible 09 June 2006 Herald Sun Damian Barrett AFL clubs have been asked to consider the future running of the VFL, including the possibility of a return to fielding reserves teams. The proposal was one of many canvassed at an AFL club chief executive officers' meeting in Melbourne yesterday. Referring to a paper titled VFL Position, VFL chief executive Ken Gannon outlined a range of options on the future of the VFL. "It was really to see where the VFL competition is at the moment, what the challenges are and from there we can consider how we might move it forward in to the future," Gannon said. "It was a case of; do you agree with this? Do you understand the numbers regarding attendances, AFL players dropping back to the VFL, the variations between the clubs in how the stand-alone clubs go compared with the other clubs, and how does it compare with other states?" A return to reserves football, one of the game's most loved traditions, would be costly for clubs. But, reigning back control of surplus senior players would be appealing. Many clubs, particularly the Kangaroos, have regularly encountered problems with their surplus players heading back to their VFL-aligned team. The Roos abandoned their links with Port Melbourne last year and now share alignments with North Ballarat and Tasmanian Devils. "You always have different levels of opinion, one club is happy, another club may not be," Gannon said. "The problems generally occur when there are no injuries on any list and everyone has to squeeze into the same team. "You go to the other end of the scale where you are aligned to an AFL team that has injuries, and you have got no AFL players. "You have a competition polarised in that sense." The deadline for possible changes to the VFL set-up is October. All AFL clubs are expected to submit formal proposals on the future running of the Victorian state-based competition. "There was no detail fleshed out (at the meeting), saying how it may or may not occur, and whether the AFL clubs go back and put their own teams in to the VFL, that is an individual choice of the AFL club if things get too hard," Gannon said. "But, then you have to talk about where they get their (top-up) players from and they haven't got venues. "Take the Kangaroos, even though they are getting money from the government for Arden Street, there is no fence around it, no change rooms, no coaches boxes, it is not a match venue. "The only concern we have is opportunity for Victorian players and the variation within the competition makes it the hardest thing to manage."
NorthPort Fri, 9 Jun 2006 - 13:00
Re-reading this article a second time... I'm a little concerned. I guess its a matter of how seriously the VFL take on the comments of AFL administrators. How much weight are their comments given in relation to VFL Presidents/General Managers? Should AFL clubs be giving their feedback, or just the AFL body itself? I'd hate to see things changed purely for the benifit of AFL Victorian clubs.
Sandridge Topic starter Fri, 9 Jun 2006 - 17:43
I doubt that the AFL clubs are actually seriously considering bringing back the reserves. It would just cost them too much. I think they only mentioned it as part of the bargaining process. The article still doesn't tell us who called for the conditions to be renegotiated; whether it was that disgruntled VFL clubs were demanding a better deal, or whether the AFL clubs seeking more control over their alignments. However, the article does say that it was a meeting of AFL clubs, at which Football Victoria presented them with some options. And it seems the VFL clubs weren't there (and therefore could not be threatened or presented with ultimatums). So it sounds to me like the VFL is demanding better conditions from the AFL and not the other way around. (But we can't read too much into these articles.) Interesting times. (For mine, the success of the Sydney Swans has shown that an AFL team can be successful no matter where their reserves play. And the Perth and Adelaide clubs have shown that it's also possible to be successful without having strict control over your reserves players. Football Victoria needs to remind the AFL clubs of that.)
C_LEWIS Sat, 10 Jun 2006 - 22:21
Nothing to worry about. The cost of a reserves competition would be prohibitive and the majority of the clubs know that. The thing the VFL needs at the moment is an extra team to enable the bye to be done away with and all teams should have to field a reserves team.
bcarbonaro Thu, 15 Jun 2006 - 12:34
It's something Phil Cleary feels strongly about. Have a read of this week's Inside Football to see what I am getting at.
Sandridge Topic starter Fri, 16 Jun 2006 - 10:45
There's something in this weekend's record about it too: http://vfl.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00047886-src.pdf [i]"One possible solution would be to have more clubs in the TRUenergy VFL, but it was only six years ago that there were 18 teams in the competition, and obviously clubs decided this was not viable. We know how diffi cult it is to remain competitive, given the ever-increasing standard of the competition."[/i]
caveman Sun, 18 Jun 2006 - 20:22

If the AFL brought back the reserves what do you think would happen to the Bendigo Bombers? Can you see them being around in 5 years time? Please let me know what you think as I have been following the local footy in Bendigo but I would love to follow Bendigo in the VFL, the only problem being I am worried that if Essendon go would their still be a club? Look forward to your comments!
NorthPort Sun, 18 Jun 2006 - 21:05
caveman wrote:If the AFL brought back the reserves what do you think would happen to the Bendigo Bombers? Can you see them being around in 5 years time? Please let me know what you think as I have been following the local footy in Bendigo but I would love to follow Bendigo in the VFL, the only problem being I am worried that if Essendon go would their still be a club? Look forward to your comments!
There needs to be a senior club in Bendigo as part of the U18 to Senior pathway I would have thought.
Sandridge Topic starter Mon, 19 Jun 2006 - 08:58
onslaught wrote:There needs to be a senior club in Bendigo as part of the U18 to Senior pathway I would have thought.
What about Murray?
caveman Mon, 19 Jun 2006 - 11:01
onslaught wrote:There needs to be a senior club in Bendigo as part of the U18 to Senior pathway I would have thought.
I really hope that is the case! To be honest I would prefer not to be aligned with an AFL club but I want to watch the highest level of senior football I can which is the VFL.
Chairman Mon, 19 Jun 2006 - 14:29
Caveman, Without Essendon it would be impossible to continue at the moment as the Bendigo Bombers are still paying off debt from the Diggers days, it must be said however that the current Board is investigating future income streams at this moment. However, I think On's put his finger on it, that the costs to AFL clubs of running alone especially in another competition will put a stop to this thinking and this will be the major point if these discussions ever eventuate. I agree with somethings that Phil Cleary (a legend in the VFA/VFL) says but must disagree with his thinking that the VFL would be a force without the AFL. Other competitions in Melbourne have become stronger and could out buy most current VFL clubs for players, so thinking that there could be a new VFA styled league replacing the current VFL as a force in Melbourne is extremely wishfull. If I am wrong and it does happen then I would hazard a guess that Coburg, Casey, Bendigo, would cease to exist, Tasmania would not see any advantage playing in a lower competition and North Ballarat may decide there also is not incentive to stay. Also Football Victoria would not be in a position to administer this new league as well as contribute funds to clubs like they do now. Lets hope that common sense provails and that league officials take a close look at the current structure which we all agree needs tweeking.