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footyman

The pokies will provide them with a solid revenue stream going forward (although they need to renovate the place, too much 1970's decor).

Their motto might be short term pain for long term gain but they can't keep going year after year sitting at the bottom of the table.

They need to make some astute decisions, I'd love to know what sort of 2 year and 5 year plan they have. In five years time if they've won another five wooden spoons they may as well pack up and go back to the MPNFL. There's a time when they will have to bite the bullet and spend, otherwise community interest and support will disappear altogether.

billythekid

[quote=footyman]The pokies will provide them with a solid revenue stream going forward (although they need to renovate the place, too much 1970's decor).

Their motto might be short term pain for long term gain but they can't keep going year after year sitting at the bottom of the table.

They need to make some astute decisions, I'd love to know what sort of 2 year and 5 year plan they have. In five years time if they've won another five wooden spoons they may as well pack up and go back to the MPNFL. There's a time when they will have to bite the bullet and spend, otherwise community interest and support will disappear altogether.[/quote]

Thats the truth the supporters will soon enough disapear if they dont see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Its not much fun week in week out seeing your side get the guts kicked out of them.Success breeds success.

paul

[quote=MinkaBeaver] Back then I chatted with a recruiter after one of their games, who bemoaned the fact there were only one or two players that AFL clubs would be vaguely interested in. [/quote]

To be honest, Minka Beaver, that just shows how little AFL recruiters knew about the VFL in 2008. Since then, three players from that team (Marigliani, Magner and Dickson) have played AFL, and the last two have been regulars this year.

On top of that, guys like Berry, Winterton and Pollard would have been picked up in their mid-20s in today’s AFL where state league talent is recognised as AFL level as opposed to the previous attitude that anyone over 21 was past it.

vfa
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Mark Baguely will be making his debut for Essendon this week. Former dolphins still running around in the AFL are Tory Dickson (Bulldogs), James Magner (Melbourne), Aaron Edwards (North), Michael Hibberd (Essendon), Boyd (Bulldogs). Not a bad list of former dolphins. Kyle Martin and Khan Haretuku could be AFL bound next year. What the dolphins need is at least 3 to 4 experienced players that have played AFL to help the dolphins. If they can recruit these players without spending a fortune then they should go for it. It might also fast track new and inexperienced players as well as give them more confidence with older heads around them.

MinkaBeaver

[quote=paul][quote=MinkaBeaver] Back then I chatted with a recruiter after one of their games, who bemoaned the fact there were only one or two players that AFL clubs would be vaguely interested in. [/quote]

To be honest, Minka Beaver, that just shows how little AFL recruiters knew about the VFL in 2008. Since then, three players from that team (Marigliani, Magner and Dickson) have played AFL, and the last two have been regulars this year.

On top of that, guys like Berry, Winterton and Pollard would have been picked up in their mid-20s in today’s AFL where state league talent is recognised as AFL level as opposed to the previous attitude that anyone over 21 was past it.[/quote]

Paul,

He made those comments in 2009 when the team was bottoming out. It wasn't made by someone who saw the VFL infrequently - he had been observing it for far longer than I had! You're right though - time has proven his fears unfounded.

(As an aside, there was a bloke with a ponytail who was injured at the time, much to the recruiter's disappointment. I remember he got talked up...)

MinkaBeaver

[quote=vfa]If they can recruit these players without spending a fortune then they should go for it. It might also fast track new and inexperienced players as well as give them more confidence with older heads around them.[/quote]

Great post.

paul

I wasnt having a go at you Minka Beaver, just at the attitude back then that lots of guys in the VFL werent up to it. From that 2009 side there are five (once Baguley debuts) who have since played AFL!

Remarkable that team could only win three games.

Not sure about the bloke with the pony tail though, always 13 or 14 steps slow!

MinkaBeaver

[quote=paul]I wasnt having a go at you Minka Beaver, just at the attitude back then that lots of guys in the VFL werent up to it. From that 2009 side there are five (once Baguley debuts) who have since played AFL!

Remarkable that team could only win three games.

Not sure about the bloke with the pony tail though, always 13 or 14 steps slow![/quote]

No worries - I know you're not having a crack :)

I reckon the biggest difference between then and now is not recruiter perception. Rather it's the possibilities provided by mature-age rookie listing, expanded list numbers and - albeit to a lesser extent than I thought would occur - two expansion clubs. Until about four or five years ago, there was little list-management incentive for AFL clubs to take the over 21s from the state leagues.

I respect how much Frankston have done to develop talent. But as footyman and vfa have stated so well, that talent will develop better still with some mature, senior players around and the confidence gained by winning matches. It's a tough line to manage though and it relies heavily on the character of the ex-AFL players recruited.

As for the ponytail bloke - he was slow, but he got the ball, ran through the corridor and used it well by foot. He went alright.

BrekkyDJ
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[quote=MinkaBeaver]

As for the ponytail bloke - he was slow, but he got the ball, ran through the corridor and used it well by foot. He went alright.[/quote]

Went alright in the commentary box as well!

footyman

[quote=MinkaBeaver]
I reckon the biggest difference between then and now is not recruiter perception. Rather it's the possibilities provided by mature-age rookie listing, expanded list numbers and - albeit to a lesser extent than I thought would occur - two expansion clubs. Until about four or five years ago, there was little list-management incentive for AFL clubs to take the over 21s from the state leagues.
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Spot on. Definately the introduction of the expansion clubs have forced the other 16 teams to search through the VFL a lot more closely.

You've also got to remember, AFL Victoria have also started to pour more resources into VFL to encourage recruiting. In the past 2 years, VFL stats are now done by Champion Data, AFL clubs can get edited vision of every game every week, the VFL Academy has been introduced but the past two years they have done VFL testing pre-season for 20-30 players. The 23rd player rule has been expanded to give another VFL listed player an opportunity every week.

Back on topic, vfa I suppose you could also add Josh Jenkins to your list of Frankston players in the AFL - he played 1 Reserves game for Frankston!

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