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[quote=BrekkyDJ]

Informed? Okay, let's go through some facts.

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Where are they?

[quote=BrekkyDJ]

On a personal level, unlike my co-commentators I choose not to 'follow/cheer on' Box Hill. The reason being that supporters of other teams hated tuning in because the call was so Box Hill biased. So with that, I decided to do a 'Tony Greig' and be like the devil's advocated, 'cheer on' the other side to bring some much needed balance.

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Providing a balanced commentary - fine.
Playing the "devil's advocate" - fine, livens up the discussion.
Regularly disparaging and deriding the Club, which is something that you regularly indulge in - overstepping the mark.

You said yourself last year that you no longer enjoy broadcasting Box Hill games. Unfortunately it shows.

[quote=BrekkyDJ]

The board is always stacked 5-4 in favour of Hawthorn, with a Box Hill person given the 'token position' of President.

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Next time I bump into Tony Pinwill or John Ure, I will tell them that you reckon that for the past 16 years they have been filling a "token" role at the Club. I am sure they will see it very differently. Why don't you invite the President on air to debate the point?

[quote=BrekkyDJ]

All that's left is that you play at Box Hill City Oval and you lucked out that Hawthorn had the same colours as you.

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The Club plays at Box Hill City Oval, as it has done so for 80 years. It wears brown and gold with a white horse logo, as it has done for 80 years. It fields VFL and development teams, unlike the AFL reserves teams in the competition. Fair enough that it is called BOX HILL.

[quote=BrekkyDJ]

It's a classic case of the old story "The Emperor's New Clothes".

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I agree. You should stop walking around naked.

digs

[quote=Mustang]

BrekkyDJ wrote:

Informed? Okay, let's go through some facts.
Where are they?

BrekkyDJ wrote:

On a personal level, unlike my co-commentators I choose not to 'follow/cheer on' Box Hill. The reason being that supporters of other teams hated tuning in because the call was so Box Hill biased. So with that, I decided to do a 'Tony Greig' and be like the devil's advocated, 'cheer on' the other side to bring some much needed balance.

Providing a balanced commentary - fine.
Playing the "devil's advocate" - fine, livens up the discussion.
Regularly disparaging and deriding the Club, which is something that you regularly indulge in - overstepping the mark.

You said yourself last year that you no longer enjoy broadcasting Box Hill games. Unfortunately it shows.

BrekkyDJ wrote:

The board is always stacked 5-4 in favour of Hawthorn, with a Box Hill person given the 'token position' of President.

Next time I bump into Tony Pinwill or John Ure, I will tell them that you reckon that for the past 16 years they have been filling a "token" role at the Club. I am sure they will see it very differently. Why don't you invite the President on air to debate the point?

BrekkyDJ wrote:

All that's left is that you play at Box Hill City Oval and you lucked out that Hawthorn had the same colours as you.

The Club plays at Box Hill City Oval, as it has done so for 80 years. It wears brown and gold with a white horse logo, as it has done for 80 years. It fields VFL and development teams, unlike the AFL reserves teams in the competition. Fair enough that it is called BOX HILL.

BrekkyDJ wrote:

It's a classic case of the old story "The Emperor's New Clothes".

I agree. You should stop walking around naked.

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Mustang,
Just do what Breaky DJ did...Change to a club that had 2 goes at alignment & couldn't make either work, then get dirty on those clubs that have made a success of it.

We might be from the bush. but we ain't green

Mustang

[quote=digs]

Mustang,
Just do what Breaky DJ did...Change to a club that had 2 goes at alignment & couldn't make either work, then get dirty on those clubs that have made a success of it.

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digs, I reckon you're right; that's part of the reason for the chip on the shoulder. Port's alignment with North Melbourne degenerated into Port's president and Dean Laidley taking pot shots at each other in the press.

Don't get me wrong, I admire the fact that Port Melbourne is a successful standalone club. Fact is that only the clubs with significant non-football revenue [i.e. gaming] like Port, Williamstown and North Ballarat can ever hope to challenge for the VFL premiership as standalone clubs. Even Sandringham is going to find it very hard from 2017.

I'm realistic enough to know that Box Hill standing alone would be a struggler like Frankston and Coburg. I can live with the fact that operating a successful alignment with an AFL club is the price that the Club has had to pay to be a successful and respected [by most but obviously not all] VFL club.

Heath_eld

I always enjoy Port Vs Box hill much better than the other "aligned" clubs. The grand final was a shambles, but they generally look like a footy club to me (albeit with some Hawthorn players).

I don't think the VFL would be much fun if it consisted of Port, Williamstown, North Ballarat (if we were lucky), and a weak Coburg and Frankston.

STANGA

Just have to say that as a former Box Hill supporter I'm staggered that there's still an actual Mustang supporter sticking around who follows the club Best of luck to you Mustang. I remember mates who the mere change to Box Hill Hawks in 2000 was enough for them to walk...mate of mine I went to tafe with even vandalised the new signage at the ground form memory. While they had the jumper I stuck around but Mustang, it's the fact that we don't hear of any problems from the alignment that worries me, that's why 'we're' stuck with a Hawthorn jumper. I'd rather we'd jumped up and down and dug our heals in. As BrekkyDJ pointed out...it's sheer luck that the colours were the same because Hawthorn couldn't care a bit.

I think John Ure did a fantastic job as president getting the team back into the traditional jumper after the club pissed around with different designs in 2000/2001. It really felt like he was holding things together and he was truly a great Mustang advocate. I met a number of times with Andrew Pirchin to discuss different things around the club and I remember quizzing him about winning over development and he just couldn't say that the club put winning first. He was a really good guy but the light does dim as a supporter when you hear that. At least say the winning/development play equal parts!?

It's just all been far too convenient for Hawthorn who've shown the Stangas no respect in my opinion. It's CLEARLY the Hawthorn reserves now no matter how you spin it however if it's still carries some meaning for you, then enjoy it.

Mustang

[quote=STANGA]

Just have to say that as a former Box Hill supporter I'm staggered that there's still an actual Mustang supporter sticking around who follows the club Best of luck to you Mustang. I remember mates who the mere change to Box Hill Hawks in 2000 was enough for them to walk...mate of mine I went to tafe with even vandalised the new signage at the ground form memory. While they had the jumper I stuck around but Mustang, it's the fact that we don't hear of any problems from the alignment that worries me, that's why 'we're' stuck with a Hawthorn jumper. I'd rather we'd jumped up and down and dug our heals in. As BrekkyDJ pointed out...it's sheer luck that the colours were the same because Hawthorn couldn't care a bit.

I think John Ure did a fantastic job as president getting the team back into the traditional jumper after the club pissed around with different designs in 2000/2001. It really felt like he was holding things together and he was truly a great Mustang advocate. I met a number of times with Andrew Pirchin to discuss different things around the club and I remember quizzing him about winning over development and he just couldn't say that the club put winning first. He was a really good guy but the light does dim as a supporter when you hear that. At least say the winning/development play equal parts!?

It's just all been far too convenient for Hawthorn who've shown the Stangas no respect in my opinion. It's CLEARLY the Hawthorn reserves now no matter how you spin it however if it's still carries some meaning for you, then enjoy it.

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I reckon that you’ve re-written history a little bit there. As I’ve said on this forum before, the vast majority of Box Hill Mustangs supporters had already well and truly jumped off before the Box Hill Hawks came about in 2000. There always was a strong anti-VFL sentiment at Box Hill and when the competition became the VFL in 1996 a lot of Box Hill supporters couldn’t cop it. Between 1996 and 1999 the Club played games to almost empty terraces.

That being said, you still see quite a few of the old faithful at home games. Every game that I go to I always bump into a few familiar faces. Just that they come along once or twice a season now not every week like they used to. We’re all getting older I guess.

Don’t get me wrong. The Box Hill Hawks is far from perfect. I spewed about the jumper change and hated what happened in the last quarter of last year’s grand final. But I’m realistic enough to admit that if Box Hill didn’t operate a successful alignment, it wouldn’t have been playing in a grand final before 24,000 spectators trying to win back-to-back flags and leading at ¾ time in the first place.

Some years ago I saw a famous Hollywood actor being interviewed on TV and the interviewer asked “how does it feel to be 80?” He replied “pretty good, when you consider what the alternative is”. I guess that’s how I feel about the Box Hill Hawks. I’m OK with it, when you consider what the alternative is.

And as you would have noticed above, I still have enough passion for the Club that I'm not going to cop a Port Melbourne drongo with a microphone slagging off at it. :-)

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